Low T at 22 - Clomiphene Citrate 50mg EOD Notes

DrHouse said:
I'm Mining Engineering, which isn't what I want to be, but they offered a nice scholarship. I know how engineering is and I say that's the only real single degree you can earn. Everything else, you should double major to have the same difficulty.
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Whatever... Like we haven't been digging things out of the ground for the last few thousand years. And electricity! Let's fly a kite and see how that works. It can't be that hard. :-)
 
electrical engineering with a minor in physics
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The same as me...LOL how does it feel to be the man amongst men? :D In our class/studygroup there were like 140 men and like 15 women(two were hot xD) :D it doesn't really feel good. not good for testosterone either.. :D
Wanted to be a doc, though...to help myself and others with testosterone issues...but the study's too hard. It's not easy to attend classes and learn if you feel lethargic...whatever, i kinda struggle through..
sry for the offtopic
 
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I'm curious as to the increase in baseline T.T.
How did you get your T.T. to get up to 484 ng/dl in a year?
I would like to see your results from the clomid...LH, FSH, T.T.
Your doc sounds a little challenging...has he toned it down?
Please post the link to the government website you discuss about the safety of clomid long term....
My G.P. said Clomid sounded like a viable, positive option for me....but he said he would not prescribe it.
Said: "what if it gives you breast cancer or something....wouldn't you want me to look out for you"?
hen he says in his next sentence: "whatever the endo says I will accept". So he basically is pulling himself out of it...but he's ok if someone else prescribes it and it gives breast cancer....
Ridiculous.
 
It's my understanding that some people can 'restart' with clomid and/or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and/or arimidex and don't need TRT.
 
Rix said:
It's my understanding that some people can 'restart' with clomid and/or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and/or arimidex and don't need TRT.
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You would be correct. SOME people can depending on their situation, drug usage, age, etc. This is something you should discuss with your Endocrinologist.
 
Some testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) clinics don't apply "Restart's"...as a one time tool to optimize hormones. Many testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) docs leave the patients on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocols if they see it is working..
 
DrHouse said:
So, I have some bad news. I was suppose to see my Endo last week and due to school and what not I could not physically go to his office since its nearly three hours away from the university I attend. However, I was able to call him and he basically said since my initial (the one he had me do) lab tests were normal that he did not see the need to proceed with any kind of medication. I try to convince him otherwise but he would not prescribe me anymore clomid nor did he see the need for further testing.

With that issue, I thought I would see a local GP. Went and said my Endo wrote me clomid and that I couldn't make the time to see him since he was 3 hours away and refused any type of treatment or further labs. Even getting denied the lab work was a disappointment but I can not afford the lab work through a clinic.

With that said, in summary to my three month treatment, I have felt tremendously better. Overall well being, a more positive outlook, libido increase, and better stamina. Things spiked quickly and then settled down until I added DIM and that helped bring back the intensity slightly more.

Overall, I plan to continue to take clomid whether it be research clomid or script. I'm sorry for any disappointment for those wanting to see final labs but the numbers are irrelevant to the physical and mental improvements it has helped me with. Feel free to shoot me any type of questions.
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Have you thought of going off clomid to see if the restart worked? In other words to see if your natty T improved and holds?

You can get basic labs at Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online for about $50. Get the Hormone Panel for Females.

Clomid isn't a good long-term solution. Great for a restart attempt, but you don't want to stay on it I definitely. Injecting test would be better if the restart fails.
 
I'm happy it worked for you but we labs could give you(and us) a better picture of what the clomid achieved.
So this endo is wrapping up his care of you in other words?
No more prescriptions, labs means pretty much we're done, and I don't think you need treatment anymore.
Kind of irresponsible of him.
Have you officially concluded the 3 month mark?
 
Megatron28 said:
Have you thought of going off clomid to see if the restart worked? In other words to see if your natty T improved and holds?

You can get basic labs at Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online for about $50. Get the Hormone Panel for Females.

Clomid isn't a good long-term solution. Great for a restart attempt, but you don't want to stay on it I definitely. Injecting test would be better if the restart fails.
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"Restarts" usually commence with a series of E3D Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shots with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to make sure the testes can respond to stimulation and get them ready for SERM treatment. Once the T.T. level is at desired level or upper quartile of normal range...HCG and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) stops and Clomid Nolva is used for 6 weeks...
Clomid on its own is a weak "restart"....
 
APOLLON said:
"Restarts" usually commence with a series of E3D Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shots with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to make sure the testes can respond to stimulation and get them ready for SERM treatment. Once the T.T. level is at desired level or upper quartile of normal range...HCG and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) stops and Clomid Nolva is used for 6 weeks...
Clomid on its own is a weak "restart"....
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You will have to ask the OP why his doc chose his protocol for a restart. I can't comment.
 
Megatron28 said:
Have you thought of going off clomid to see if the restart worked? In other words to see if your natty T improved and holds?

You can get basic labs at Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online for about $50. Get the Hormone Panel for Females.

Clomid isn't a good long-term solution. Great for a restart attempt, but you don't want to stay on it I definitely. Injecting test would be better if the restart fails.
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I have read that Clomid long term is completely fine to do? Obviously just because I read it doesn't make it true even if it was on a government published site.

This is one of the articles I read. I couldn't find the other one quickly but I hope this is interesting to you.
Outcomes of clomiphene citrate treatment in young hy... [BJU Int. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

But yes, I am currently not using clomid to see how it has worked.

Thank you for the posting on the private lab.
 
Apollen, theoretically, numbers but be a definitive conclusion to my results. However, to me, they're irrelevant. So what if my test levels are still 400s. I feel like they're well above that even if the numbers don't show that. I do understand that you would like to see but from all of the threads/posts I've read about your issues, I think you've screwed yourself out of a restart by being impatient with treatment and not being educated on what you should do. I do not mean to offend you but you change your treatment weekly it seems like when you should've have stuck to your guns and concluded a single treatment before moving to the next. If I recall, you're older than I (in your 30s?) so if Clomid is safe long term, it might be an option for you but you can't use clomid and Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) at the same time or interchangeably.

To answer your questions about my treatment. Yes, the Endo has concluded that this would be the end of my treatment period based on my initial results.

I'm truly sorry I was not able to obtain levels at the very end of my last dosing but hopefully soon I will be able to obtain results from a private lab. But like I said, the numbers are irrelevant to me based on my overall feeling now.

I have no knowledge on "typical" restart programs. I simple told him I had read some articles (like the one I posted ^^) and that he said he has a few of his current patients on that treatment and that he would feel comfortable letting me try it out but only this once if my numbers came back normal initially. I knew that this was coming once I knew my initial reports but having had numbers as low as the 200s, I was hoping he would continue to help.
 
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