Low T at 22 - Clomiphene Citrate 50mg EOD Notes

[Alpin]

Apollen, theoretically, numbers but be a definitive conclusion to my results. However, to me, they're irrelevant. So what if my test levels are still 400s. I feel like they're well above that even if the numbers don't show that. I do understand that you would like to see but from all of the threads/posts I've read about your issues, I think you've screwed yourself out of a restart by being impatient with treatment and not being educated on what you should do. I do not mean to offend you but you change your treatment weekly it seems like when you should've have stuck to your guns and concluded a single treatment before moving to the next. If I recall, you're older than I (in your 30s?) so if Clomid is safe long term, it might be an option for you but you can't use clomid and Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) at the same time or interchangeably.

To answer your questions about my treatment. Yes, the Endo has concluded that this would be the end of my treatment period based on my initial results.

I'm truly sorry I was not able to obtain levels at the very end of my last dosing but hopefully soon I will be able to obtain results from a private lab. But like I said, the numbers are irrelevant to me based on my overall feeling now.

I have no knowledge on "typical" restart programs. I simple told him I had read some articles (like the one I posted ^^) and that he said he has a few of his current patients on that treatment and that he would feel comfortable letting me try it out but only this once if my numbers came back normal initially. I knew that this was coming once I knew my initial reports but having had numbers as low as the 200s, I was hoping he would continue to help.

I appreciate your reply...
I absolutely knew what needed to be done, but G.P. was not prescribing clomid and/or taking into account my symptoms.
He knew it would help but cited concerns that he knows nothing of it's safety in men and it could be linked to potential breast cancer...e.t.c.
I understand he is protecting himself. But he endorsed it as a viable treatment but said he would not prescribe it.
An Endo I met 2 weeks ago told me to try it out, at the end of the appointment he told me he would call me with script and dose...the call never came and it's been 2 weeks. Obviously he changed his mind on it. The TRT doc I deal with does not even touch it in his practice. Says it wont do nothing for me.
So what would you do if you were in my shoes...continue living hypogonadal ?
what treatment are you referring to that I changed "weekly" ?

 

[Megatron28]

I appreciate your reply...
I absolutely knew what needed to be done, but G.P. was not prescribing clomid and/or taking into account my symptoms.
He knew it would help but cited concerns that he knows nothing of it's safety in men and it could be linked to potential breast cancer...e.t.c.
I understand he is protecting himself. But he endorsed it as a viable treatment but said he would not prescribe it.
An Endo I met 2 weeks ago told me to try it out, at the end of the appointment he told me he would call me with script and dose...the call never came and it's been 2 weeks. Obviously he changed his mind on it. The TRT doc I deal with does not even touch it in his practice. Says it wont do nothing for me.
So what would you do if you were in my shoes...continue living hypogonadal ?
what treatment are you referring to that I changed "weekly" ?

Apollon: you asked why I hit Like (in a PM). I don't hate you. I don't even know you. I hit Like because I agree with what was posted.

And if you really can't see how you keep changing your protocols for TRT like a school girl changes her clothes before a first date, then you are in denial.

 

[Alpin]

And if you really can't see how you keep changing your protocols for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) like a school girl changes her clothes before a first date, then you are in denial.

What am I suppose to do when I notice shortness of breath, feelings of panic, nervousness with my current protocol?
When I was on 160 mg of T/week first time around with TRT....
I gradually ramped up to it from 100 mg/week and no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at all and on 20 mg of paxil.
Now with lower dose of paxil this same protocol is causing a little anxiety for me.
Not everyone is built the same. You might be ok at 200 mg/week...
not everyone can handle that.

 

[Megatron28]

What am I suppose to do when I notice shortness of breath, feelings of panic, nervousness with my current protocol?
When I was on 160 mg of T/week first time around with TRT....
I gradually ramped up to it from 100 mg/week and no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at all and on 20 mg of paxil.
Now with lower dose of paxil this same protocol is causing a little anxiety for me.
Not everyone is built the same. You might be ok at 200 mg/week...
not everyone can handle that.

What should you do? Not over-react and change your protocol every day. Use the coping strategies for anxiety that you learned from your psychologist or on YouTube.

 

[Alpin]

What should you do? Not over-react and change your protocol every day. Use the coping strategies for anxiety that you learned from your psychologist or on YouTube.

I was feeling anxiety come down a little over the summer while being low in T it seems....
was using less SSRI over the past six months and getting used to it... and was not doing too poorly...
appetite was good, but energy and workouts, libido were not...
Now with all this crap in the mix...I feel too stimulated.

 

[DrHouse]

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[Megatron28]

So are these lab results with clomid or without? If without clomid, for how long had you been off it?

 

[DrHouse]

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[jomamma007]

Those are some crazy T numbers on such a low dose.
Are you going to come off now to see if your system has recovered?

How are you feeling?
Might want to add ranges to your blood work, random numbers don't tell us much .

 

[DrHouse]

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[Megatron28]

So the proof in he pudding will be to see how your numbers look a few months after you stop taking clomid. I hope it sticks! Good luck.

 

[Alpin]

Too bad you didn't do LH, FSH....
You were on clomid for 6-7 months straight....correct ?
How far from your last dose of clomid did you run this lab work ?
Looks good!
I think you will be ok for a while...

 

[DrHouse]

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[Alpin]

House

How you feeling otherwise ?
how's energy upon awakening in the morning ?
Are you gonna run the DIM a while longer till E2 sides are gone ?

 

[DrHouse]

House

How you feeling otherwise ? Should've read previous posts
how's energy upon awakening in the morning ? Never had an issue with morning energy
Are you gonna run the DIM a while longer till E2 sides are gone ? I will continue to take DIM from now on.

See bold

 

[Alpin]

No FSH, LH, SHBG, Estradiol, Bio Avail. T done on this blood work.
Free Test was going to be checked by the OP and no news of it.
I'd advise anyone else who endeavors into "Restart" areas of HRT to run complete labs to know the full effect of the "Restart".
We don't even know if the "DIM" has even helped in Estradiol control for the purpose of this protocol.
Just more Bro science as far as I'm concerned with no medical evidence to back up any claim.

 

[DrHouse]

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[DrHouse]

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[AGtrain]

HEY!

im also 24 years of age (been on test cypionate since I was 21 when for some reason my levels dropped to ABNORMALY LOW). I also have this question, should I try clomid to try and get things back to normal? The 200iu injection of 1ml of test every other week is not doing the trick anymore. I think when I first started I felt great because it was better than nothing! My t-level came up to 687 last check with LH and FSH normal. But my joints are still achy, I feel sluggish and sex drive is decreasing it seems as the years go by!

Would trying cloimid be a variable option?
I know a guy that has almost the same condition as me and he takes test as well as HGH. Says that after 4 weeks the HGH really did the trick now he has more energy, libido, burns fat and has a better outlook on life...
Any pointers?

 

[DrHouse]

HEY!

im also 24 years of age (been on test cypionate since I was 21 when for some reason my levels dropped to ABNORMALY LOW). I also have this question, should I try clomid to try and get things back to normal? The 200iu injection of 1ml of test every other week is not doing the trick anymore. I think when I first started I felt great because it was better than nothing! My t-level came up to 687 last check with LH and FSH normal. But my joints are still achy, I feel sluggish and sex drive is decreasing it seems as the years go by!

Would trying cloimid be a variable option?
I know a guy that has almost the same condition as me and he takes test as well as HGH. Says that after 4 weeks the HGH really did the trick now he has more energy, libido, burns fat and has a better outlook on life...
Any pointers?

Option 1: Get your hormones checked. Its possible that with exogenous test, your estrogen levels are higher than normal. Or lower than normal. This could cause libido and energy issues.

Option 2: Seek a restart protocol through your physician. Most likely, if you have not yet, will have to see an Endocrinologist but still get your hormone levels checked. If you go with this option, wait at least 2 weeks before getting them checked to allow the test to exit your system. At this point, you probably won't feel too well.

As far as HGH is concerned, I'm not too sure. I would say unless you can afford pharmaceutical script HGH it's probably not worth using.