M1T::Methyl-1-Testosterone
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TheMilkMan
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Drako said:
when it was legal and I was younger and dumber I used it...
The Good:
-I leaned out very well on it with a restricted calorie diet (I stayed at about the same weight with the same strength but dropped more than 3% bf in about 6 weeks)
-I was able to fuck like an animal
-I experienced very little water retention
The Bad:
-HORRIBLE acne
-BAD back pumps
-GYNO in my left nipple
-SIGNIFICANT testicular atrophy
I would not recommend it to someone if they can get anything else, you'd be much better off with dealing with the bloat from any other oral or constant pinning
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Aztech
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motawa said:
yeh, i'd like an answer to this too being where things stand today
JayC
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motawa said:
From what I've researched and understood, the difference is the delivery and conversion method. Prohormones are bascially partial compounds or pieces and when you take them the enzymes in your body bind and complete the compound for a complete hormone. Here's a post I found on another board that would explain in better detail...
A steroid, or more correctly and anabolic steroid, is an exogenous hormone.
Use of an anabolic steroid increases ones hormone levels to supra-physiological levels (i.e. levels one could not achieve naturally).
Most steroids are inactive when taken orally, thus they are injected. A few are altered (like dianabol) to make them active orally. One such method is my methylating the steroid. The methylation cause the steroid to pass through the liver mostly unharmed. This, however, makes it quite taxing on the liver.
As well, most oral steroids are not very anabolic (muscle building) and so any experience steroid expert will tell you that a "cycle" should never only include orals (i.e. you could stack orals with injectibles).
A "pro-hormone" is something that is not an active hormone (like a steroid) but it is a precursor to a steroid. In other words, there are enzymes in your body that can convert the PH into an active hormone (steroid).
For example, 4-androstendiol will convert to testosterone (via an enzyme in the body).
1, 4 androstendiol will convert to boldenone (a steroid).
1 androstendiol (1-AD) will convert to 1-testosterone.
Interstingly 1-testosterone is an actual steroid, but a legal one (there are many OTC supps that incorporate it). It is often referred to as a pro-steroid, because (for now) it is a legal supplement.
So, PHs (and PSs) in order to qualify as a "dietary supplement" must be taken orally (pursuant to the DSHEA). So you again are back to the issue of how potent this PH/PS will be, since it is not very "bioavailable".
People estimate that the PH/PSs are anywhere from 5-40% bioavailable. Some individuals have injected these (illegally) in which case you'd see results similar to various illegal anabolic compounds.
But orally, they will ultimately provide some exogenous hormones (and this you see many people claiming terrific results) just not as much as anything delivered via injection.
So, the biggest difference between PHs (and especially PSs) and illegal anabolic compounds is the delivery mechanism.
We see chemists methlylating some of these PHs and PSs. Methyl 1-Test was very big. It is highly orally active and rivals any "true" steroid. Its also pretty harsh on the liver.
And so with M1T, we are seeing some outrageous growth.
And other companies are starting to Methylate other PHs and PSs.
Many experts believe that once one of these legal compounds are methylated, they become illegal. So this was a grey area until the ban started outlawing them.
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Aztech
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interesting, thanks jayc
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Aztech
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so, i could inject PH and get far greater results? What's the solvent?
team Canada
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anybody else on M1T,17 AD and androstenodiol
Drako, I purchased alot of these few years ago when they were about to be taken off the market, I never found my gains to be outragous but I kept the amount to manufacterers recommendations and never stacked more than 2 at once, just recentley I read in another forum that if your going to take these too start off with 3x manufactures recs or 6 tabs. I just started a 4 week observation where im going to stack all 3 products, hopefully this will work as i have recentley noticed my strength sliding slightly.Had Doc check all blood work and he noticed elevated amounts of bad cholesterol, this was after my original 8 weeks on only manu recs. One good thing is that my gains seem permanent, very little retention, no acne at all, strength is consistent, moods are consistent. I gauge every thing by lifting strength which is slighty better than all natural, only creatine and food. Can anybody make a comment on whether the gains may out weigh the supposed high toxicity of these products.
Drako, I purchased alot of these few years ago when they were about to be taken off the market, I never found my gains to be outragous but I kept the amount to manufacterers recommendations and never stacked more than 2 at once, just recentley I read in another forum that if your going to take these too start off with 3x manufactures recs or 6 tabs. I just started a 4 week observation where im going to stack all 3 products, hopefully this will work as i have recentley noticed my strength sliding slightly.Had Doc check all blood work and he noticed elevated amounts of bad cholesterol, this was after my original 8 weeks on only manu recs. One good thing is that my gains seem permanent, very little retention, no acne at all, strength is consistent, moods are consistent. I gauge every thing by lifting strength which is slighty better than all natural, only creatine and food. Can anybody make a comment on whether the gains may out weigh the supposed high toxicity of these products.
team Canada
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reezay, how long do you think the shelf life of these capsules are, I still have yet to use some that I purchased right before they were taken off the market. You say very toxic, I havent noti ced anything harsh yet, maybe my shit isno good anymore. My shit is made by Scifit and Surreal Nutrition. Wouldnt think it would go off, all of its all sealed in original bottles, what would be the minimal amount of this shit to take and still see some real shit type gains,all of this about its toxicity is bothering me but its all i have access tto at the moment,
team Canada
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can anybody comment on 4Androstenediol,300mg capsules, maker is scifit, or17MD(17amethyl-17beta-hydroxestra-4,9 is this stuff as toxic as the m1ts, everybody is makingout like the M1ts are truly evil, ive tried mits severaltimes,10 mgs for 3 weeks then20mgs for 3 weeks,never has my strength or my size seriously increased like some of the guys on this site are posting, my gains have been methodical, when I go off, igo to axis ht, fish oil and gakig, I think thats how its spelled, I read on this board that you need milk thistle, can I get this anywhere?
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