my 1st cycle with sustanon

[f|At^hA|r]

i'm just about to start my first cycle in another weeks time .. here is what i'll be taking

wk 1-10 sust 500mg/wk
wk 1-4 abomb 50-100 mg ED
wk 1-10 25-50 mg nolva ED

wk 13-15 clomid therapy

what do you people think ?
here's another question .. can i take thermogenics along while on this cycle ??

my main goal in this cycle is to bulk and cut fats at the same time ...
i'll be taking clens and thermo...... what do you ppl think ?

any comment is appreciated .. thx ..

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum..........

 

[SomeBloke]

i think you should cut your sus in half and add arimidex, forget about the abombs.

im not into helping people make their cycles but if i can get someone to reduce drug intake and still get almost the same resulst without most of the sides, i will

cheers

 

[Hells]

i think you should cut your sus in half and add arimidex, forget about the abombs.

im not into helping people make their cycles but if i can get someone to reduce drug intake and still get almost the same resulst without most of the sides, i will

cheers

I disagree with sust i wouldnt tell anybody to do it less than 250mg E3D, no need for the arimidex ESP. if he were only doing 250 like you advised him to do, also 250mg is just a little above HRT dosing and with sust you would yield little if any results. Abombs are great for the begging of a cycle great gains in strength.

 

[jb160]

I wouldn't take nolvadex all the way through your cycle its just a waste. Only take it if you start to see signs of gyno and I would also use it in your post cycle therapy (pct). Yes you can take thermogenics during your cycle. Whether you buld lean muscle without the addition of any fat depends on your diet.

 

[f|At^hA|r]

thx u guys for posting here .....
heres a little profile of me ..

a short 166cm .(about 5'4)
200lbs about 15-20 %BF
been traiing for 2 years plus .. and have gained 55lbs within the last 2 year

i am quite worried about using 500mg sust/week as this is my 1st cycle .. and i'm quite small size .. (short)

so i was plannign taking a 750mg /2 weeks ....
any comment ?

 

[gotenks004]

If I was going to run sustanon I would run it EOD. Start with Test Enanthate for a first cycle @500mgs a week and see how you react to it.

 

[SomeBloke]

I disagree with sust i wouldnt tell anybody to do it less than 250mg E3D, no need for the arimidex ESP. if he were only doing 250 like you advised him to do, also 250mg is just a little above HRT dosing and with sust you would yield little if any results. Abombs are great for the begging of a cycle great gains in strength.

ok im pulling rank. im a pharmacist. perhaps YOU wouldnt reccommend people not to use less than 250/3days but then, you dont really know what youre on about.

250 sust will yield about 190ish mg of testosterone. given that the average male produces about 70mg per week, id say that the 190mg testosterone dose yielded by the 250mg sustanon shot per week is a tad higher than HRT, dont you think?

furthermore i keep in touch with several people who use sustanon, most of whom do 250mg/week, and kept gains are about 10lbs from a 10week cycle. this is from guys who wont listen and dont do post cycle therapy (pct), either. total pre crash gains come in at about 18-19lbs in 10 weeks for a couple of them on their first cycle.

also, use of arimidex at that dose will go a long way in reducing bloat, and minimise chances of gynocomastia occurring. again, YOU dont think its neccessary, but then, YOU obviously dont understand this principle either.

sorry to be such a bastard, but i cant stand your attitude - its people like you advising newbies that help the more is better mentality become established in bodybuilding.

bottom line is, if you dont know whats going on, type less, and read more. people will listen to your advice, believe it or not, and find themselves in trouble.

anyone who doesnt grow on 250mg/week of sust had better look long and hard at their training and diet, because placebo controlled studies ahve shown sedentiary people (read: people that dont work out) gain a few pounds over the course of 3 months on this dose.

if you train hard and eat well, you should get fantastic gains. although, i think what is happening here is taht the doses are climbing higher and higher to compensate for shitty workouts, and shittier eating habits

cheers

 

[batrod]

i do agree... My first cycle was 250 test enanth each week, and with a huge protein diet it has done great results!!!

Dont take too much for your first cycle, then you will better know how you react with this kind of stuff.

 

[jcp2]

I have said it before and i will say it again, before the baords, i knew a ton of guys who made great gains on 250mg of test a week, or 200mg of deca a week. When i started reading the boards, i found out these doses were useless, lol. Now i would probably suggest 300-500mng of test on a first cycle, but i also feel like you do not need to bump past that for a long long time. I don't think that 500mg will cause too many more sides than 250mg especially if adex is used. But the pharmacist makes many valid points that some of us have been trying to make for a long time. And to anyone recommending 100mg of drol to someone on their first cycle, if you need that to grow or get stronger or whatever as a steroid virgin, maybe basket weaving is more your cup of tea.

 

[f|At^hA|r]

just shot myself last night in the glute . it gets sore but not too bad (should be the massage) ....... Q is how long does it take to feel the power of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in my body ? i heard that it may takes a few weeks .....

 

[apex]

oh my...

 

[f|At^hA|r]

its been just about 30hours since the shot and it no longer sore .... guess i shot the right place ... but WTF i injured my knees and toes last night while playing soccer ..i cant even walk properly now ... damn it .. i guess i'm gonna miss out lots of leg workout and cardios.......

can some one tell me what sort of cardio can i do ? i really need them