My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful Cycle

No offense taken, my friend. I'm always up for discussion.

Exemestane is an option, but estrogen rebound is never an issue when my steps are followed, including Aromatase inhibitor (AI) up to post cycle therapy (pct) and blood work week 8.

Suppression begins far before 4 weeks. Actually begins in a few days. My goal is to never wait until you're fully suppressed. Safer this way and much easier on the body and recovery.

Blasting what? hCG? If so, can you give me an example? There's only so much hCG a man can metabolize at once.

Can you please elaborate exactly why post cycle therapy (pct) is off? Not sure I understand what you mean.

Thanks for your input, Nightmare007!

Even though adex isn't a suicidal inhibitor like exemestane, the rebound can still be controlled and minimized plus adex has benefits in its own right vs exemestane. Can't definitively say one's better as a blanket statement IMO.

I prefer your approach than waiting for week 5 to start HCG. Suppression does not wait for "kick in" time nor should HCG.

I believe he is referring to blasting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after cycle completion and before post cycle therapy (pct). his sticky outlines Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to be run during cycle and blasted 1000iu/day before post cycle therapy (pct).

His post cycle therapy (pct) recommendations are 50/50/25/25 clomid and 40/40/20/20 tamoxifen. I'm not sure the disparity in post cycle therapy (pct) dosages is enough to warrant any differences in recovery.

I like this post Austin! Maybe if it became required reading it would help keep some of the people who aren't ready to cycle from cycling until they are :)
 
Even though adex isn't a suicidal inhibitor like exemestane, the rebound can still be controlled and minimized plus adex has benefits in its own right vs exemestane. Can't definitively say one's better as a blanket statement IMO.

I prefer your approach than waiting for week 5 to start HCG. Suppression does not wait for "kick in" time nor should HCG.

I believe he is referring to blasting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after cycle completion and before post cycle therapy (pct). his sticky outlines Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to be run during cycle and blasted 1000iu/day before post cycle therapy (pct).

His post cycle therapy (pct) recommendations are 50/50/25/25 clomid and 40/40/20/20 tamoxifen. I'm not sure the disparity in post cycle therapy (pct) dosages is enough to warrant any differences in recovery.

I like this post Austin! Maybe if it became required reading it would help keep some of the people who aren't ready to cycle from cycling until they are :)
And he's back :)
 
Lol not all there yet but thanks Dex.

Good to see you back. Theres been too many "first Anavar (var) only cycles" lately. Dex can't handle them alone :D

Great write up as always austin! A few more of these threads and no one should have a question :D
 
Great read. I feel like this is what should be in bodybuilding magazines. Flex and Muscular Development should hire you.
 
All these articles you're doing need to be stickies as well. I'd feel confident sending a young or new guy to this thread. I think others would agree as well.

On another note, i need to cut weight so i don't kill anymore kittens.
 
Austinite!!!! how much can that tdee flux??? I always just assumed my tdee was 3000... so I eat 3700/d but it says mine it 2376... also I am not getting fat either... im 180, 12%bf
 
Austinite!!!! how much can that tdee flux??? I always just assumed my tdee was 3000... so I eat 3700/d but it says mine it 2376... also I am not getting fat either... im 180, 12%bf

TDEE can vary quite a bit actually. My personal favorite is the Katch-McArdle formula for BMR if you have an accurate BF estimate. Then calculate TDEE from there by multiplying by an activity factor. All TDEE estimates are guesses though and a little trial and error is necessary to get an accurate number. That looks like an awfully low TDEE you have though, what are your stats?
 
No offense taken, my friend. I'm always up for discussion.

Exemestane is an option, but estrogen rebound is never an issue when my steps are followed, including Aromatase inhibitor (AI) up to PCT and blood work week 8.

Suppression begins far before 4 weeks. Actually begins in a few days. My goal is to never wait until
you're fully suppressed. Safer this way and much easier on the body and recovery.

Blasting what? hCG? If so, can you give me an example? There's only so much hCG a man can metabolize at once.


Can you please elaborate exactly why PCT is off? Not sure I understand what you mean.

Thanks for your input, Nightmare007!
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycleing-beginners-guide-your-first-cycle.html

Adex is a competitive inhitbitor man even when run upto PCT there's still some extra aromatase left in your system when you come off also you can't run any serms along side if you have an issue of excess estrogen during your PCT
This is non existent with exemestane also when using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) suppression becomes an issue only after week 4 and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) more effectively utilized by the body(doesnt really make a diff starting on week 1)

PCT
The doses are slightly off I prefer running clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 for a mild cycle like this


Blasting phase is mentioned in the link posted

Note:-it's a good idea to start running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from week 1 onwards when short esters like prop or ace are used for longer esters like enanthate cyp or deccanoate I feel it's best to start on week 5 when the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) really makes a difference

Cheers buddy
 
No offense taken, my friend. I'm always up for discussion.

Exemestane is an option, but estrogen rebound is never an issue when my steps are followed, including Aromatase inhibitor (AI) up to PCT and blood work week 8.
Suppression begins far before 4 weeks. Actually begins in a few days. My goal is to never wait until
you're fully suppressed. Safer this way and much easier on the body and recovery.

Blasting what? hCG? If so, can you give me an example? There's only so much hCG a man can metabolize at once.


Can you please elaborate exactly why PCT is off? Not sure I understand what you mean.

Thanks for your input, Nightmare007!

That being said there's no dosing protocol set in stone I'm gonna give your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) protocol a shot for my next cycle :)
But overall a great read
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycleing-beginners-guide-your-first-cycle.html

Adex is a competitive inhitbitor man even when run upto PCT there's still some extra aromatase left in your system when you come off also you can't run any serms along side if you have an issue of excess estrogen during your PCT
This is non existent with exemestane also when using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) suppression becomes an issue only after week 4 and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) more effectively utilized by the body(doesnt really make a diff starting on week 1)

PCT
The doses are slightly off I prefer running clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 for a mild cycle like this


Blasting phase is mentioned in the link posted

Note:-it's a good idea to start running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from week 1 onwards when short esters like prop or ace are used for longer esters like enanthate cyp or deccanoate I feel it's best to start on week 5 when the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) really makes a difference

Cheers buddy
 
Age? You're BMR should be right around 2000 calories, depending on age, which would make your TDEE well above 2400 even if you're not very active.
im 22 (23 in a few weeks) im fairly active.. im a landscaper/labourer so its a physical job
 
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycleing-beginners-guide-your-first-cycle.html

Adex is a competitive inhitbitor man even when run upto PCT there's still some extra aromatase left in your system when you come off also you can't run any serms along side if you have an issue of excess estrogen during your PCT
This is non existent with exemestane also when using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) suppression becomes an issue only after week 4 and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) more effectively utilized by the body(doesnt really make a diff starting on week 1)

PCT
The doses are slightly off I prefer running clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 for a mild cycle like this


Blasting phase is mentioned in the link posted

Note:-it's a good idea to start running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from week 1 onwards when short esters like prop or ace are used for longer esters like enanthate cyp or deccanoate I feel it's best to start on week 5 when the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) really makes a difference

Cheers buddy

Why would you think you can't run any serms alongside adex??

The body constantly makes new aromatase enzymes so you'll still make estrogen even with exemstane. Exemestane being steroidal in nature could interfere with recovery if ran during PCT but this isn't a problem with adex bc it isn't steroidal.

HCG will make a difference from day one as well. Suppression starts almost immediately when you start a cycle. That last bit about making a difference starting in wk 5 doesn't make sense.
 
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