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Majlo333

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Hi, I've been reading about steroids for a while now and I'm looking to start a cycle. I think I've fed my brain with too much info so I need your help.

I'm 184cm(6 feet)
Weigh 190 pounds
BF% around 12%
Gym experience - 6 years
Age: 24

What would be a good to start off with and which is also easy on the hair. I'm really scared of losing hair.

Thanks in advance.
 
Hi, I've been reading about steroids for a while now and I'm looking to start a cycle. I think I've fed my brain with too much info so I need your help.

I'm 184cm(6 feet)
Weigh 190 pounds
BF% around 12%
Gym experience - 6 years
Age: 24

What would be a good to start off with and which is also easy on the hair. I'm really scared of losing hair.

Thanks in advance.

You seem to be doing okay with yourself without the use of steroids, 190lbs at 12% is a good start, making sure your diet is in check is more important,

What are your goals?
Bulking, Cutting?
 
There should be a sticky on beginner cycles so I will lay it out real quick then read that thread and the pct sticky.

Weeks 1-12 500mg Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate
Split into two shots. 250mg Monday 250mg Thursday

Hcg 250iu twice a week until last shot then 500iu a day until 4 days before pct(serm)
AI in case of gyno or other estro sides. Aromisin(exemstane) or arimidex(anastrazole)

Post cycle therapy(serm)

Weeks 1-4
Clomid 50mg,50mg,50mg,50mg
Or
Torimifene 60,60,30,30

You can add nolvadex to either at 40,40,20,20.

Now read the stickys.

And most important advice was already given. If you can continue to gain, wait another year or two. Diet and training can probably get you a little farther before resorting to drugs.
 
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you definitely have room to grow naturally....alot of room. Get your diet in check on the diet forum and grow like a bean stalk!
 
Thanks a lot for your feedback. I'm trying to bulk atm for 3 more months and then cut up. Yes i probably can still grow without taking drugs but why not grow faster if possible?
 
If you are interested in bulking and are worried about hair loss, use 500 mg Test a week with 1.25 mg of generic Proscar (Propecia) a day.

Proscar will greatly reduce the conversion of Test to DHT - the main culprit in on cycle hair loss.

Most GP will script you on Proscar and most health insurance plans will cover Proscar in the 5 mg tablet - cut it into 4 pieces and use one piece a day.

If you don't want to use test, stick with Deca it is very hair friendly. Do not use Proscar with Deca as Deca has to interact with the 5-alpha reductase enzyme to reduce to DHN - a very low androgenic AAS that really has minimal impact on the hair line.

Regards.
 
No do not take that advice. Do not run a deca cycle without test. This is bad for 99.9% of people. Yeah it may not effect your hair but deca only cycle will make your dick not work. If you use AAS stick to a test only cycle for first time at 500mg. Along with either finastetide or dutasteride. Start that a month before. Deca instead of test is a very bad idea. Your natural test is shut down while using AAS so it needs to be replaced. If you read around here you will find that you should start with TEST only.
 
lol.

about face.

as you were.

user is probably on the mark with that one as he seems to be with regularity.

deca only is wrong on a few different levels. like he said, if you do some reading you'll start to see why.

good luck with the hair... i don't know too much about that side of things. i need to learn though just in case i start shedding!
 
Thanks a lot for your feedback. I'm trying to bulk atm for 3 more months and then cut up. Yes i probably can still grow without taking drugs but why not grow faster if possible?

This is exactly the kind of attitude that shows your a newbie...Im still not understanding why user and ez hasnt touched on this so I will.

First of all we shouldnt even be talking about deca in this thread...second if your worried about hairloss the stay off aas...its going to happen unless you take preventative measures. Third, there are tons of reasons why you should not start aas without getting somewhat close to your natty potential. Here is a thread that is describing what I am talking about....read it

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...uld-reach-their-genetic-potential-b4-aas.html

You could easily gain another 15 to 20 lbs before even using aas...your only 190lbs at 6' dude....im not trying to be a dick here but Im 6' and I remember how small 190 is...your not eating to grow right now and without the proper diet you wont grow on aas....You have been working out for 6 years and your only to 190??? Something isnt right here. Steroids are not a magic pill...you need to put in alot of hard work, dedication and eat a shit ton of food...its a lifestyle.

thats my advice....take it or leave it...(which you will probably leave it)

good luck
 
He asked "What would be a good to start off with and which is also easy on the hair. I'm really scared of losing hair."

In my answer I told him to start with test and Proscar - by far the best option.

Re-read my post.

My suggestion of Deac was clearly a 2nd choice in the event that he cannot/dose not want to use test.

Regards.
 
He asked "What would be a good to start off with and which is also easy on the hair. I'm really scared of losing hair."

In my answer I told him to start with test and Proscar - by far the best option.

Re-read my post.

My suggestion of Deac was clearly a 2nd choice in the event that he cannot/dose not want to use test.

Regards.

I did read your post but chose not to comment because user already took care of that....you cant run deca without test...thats not even a suggestion. Not trying to flame bro....but this is something you might want to get a better understanding of
 
I did read your post but chose not to comment because user already took care of that....you cant run deca without test...thats not even a suggestion. Not trying to flame bro....but this is something you might want to get a better understanding of

Is it the best thing to do? No.

Can you do it? Yes.

After 26 years of research, experience, and a PhD, I have a solid understand in this area.
 
Is it the best thing to do? No.

Can you do it? Yes.

I can also jump off a bridge but would I tell someone to do that???

After 26 years of research, experience, and a PhD, I have a solid understand in this area.

BULLSHIT



Ok now Im going to have to say that your education has def not paid off....I cant even believe you would even say something like that....I can assure you now you are going to get flamed if anyone that has any knowledge of aas reads this.

Ok mr phd...explain to us what happens when you run deca alone....

also explain to us why you would suggest something so fucking retarded...

and explain to us how you got your phd and in what field of study...cracker jack box???

after you give brief explanations on your backwards thought process you can cease to give advice to anyone else on this board because your advice is only damaging and not helpful....I too am in the medical field and if you did not remember the basic rule of medicine then I will refresh your memory...

DO NOT CAUSE HARM TO YOUR PATIENT

these noobs are basically patients...Im in complete shock at your disregard for another humans hormone system...you are completely lacking compassion and you should do many many more years of research before you open your mouth again. We are not all just juicers here bro...there are plenty of medical professionals on this site and you sir are either a very bad egg or a liar!!!!
 
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Ok now Im going to have to say that your education has def not paid off....I cant even believe you would even say something like that....I can assure you now you are going to get flamed if anyone that has any knowledge of aas reads this.

Ok mr phd...explain to us what happens when you run deca alone....

also explain to us why you would suggest something so fucking retarded...

and explain to us how you got your phd and in what field of study...cracker jack box???

after you give brief explanations on your backwards thought process you can cease to give advice to anyone else on this board because your advice is only damaging and not helpful....I too am in the medical field and if you did not remember the basic rule of medicine then I will refresh your memory...

DO NOT CAUSE HARM TO YOUR PATIENT

these noobs are basically patients...Im in complete shock at your disregard for another humans hormone system...you are completely lacking compassion and you should do many many more years of research before you open your mouth again. We are not all just juicers here bro...there are plenty of medical professionals on this site and you sir are either a very bad egg or a liar!!!!

To answer your first question, Deca, just like every other exogenously introduced AAS, will shut down one’s HPTA. As a result, you no longer produce natural test. This may create a host of factors, but the one I bet you are looking for is loss of libido. This will typically occur as a result of the fact that nandrolone is a progesterone as opposed to a testosterone derivative. A progesterone like Deca, in general, will not provide one with a adequate androgenic component to support a health sex drive. No libido is certainly a concern for most and a condition that one would likely want to avoid. Of course, low androgenicity has its upside as well butthat is a discussion for a different time.

To your second question, as I posted in my previous two replies, this is not the best option. The best option as I clearly stated is Test and a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. The OP asked “what would be easy on the hair line?” He did not ask what is the the best option for keeping my libido, what is the best option for avoiding gyno, what is the best option for…he asked “what is easy on the hair line.” So, no it is not retarded. It is an accurate answer to the question he asked. Deca is easy on the hair line. Again, is it the best option – NO. Could one do it – YES.

You are so focused on what you perceive to be correct and incorrect that you have totally missed the context of the question asked by the OP. Again, just for a refresher, he asked “what is easy on the hair line?”

Finally, I earned my doctorate 12 years ago from a tier one research institution under the direction of one of the most eminent researchers in the field. Myself, I am a tenured professor at a tier one research institution and I have published more than 40 double blind peer reviewed clinical studies. I have plenty of NSF and NIH funding that has supported my research over the years.

I’m not here to get in to a sparring match over who knows more than whom. If you don’t think I know my stuff, go read some of my other posts.
 
This is exactly the kind of attitude that shows your a newbie...Im still not understanding why user and ez hasnt touched on this so I will.

First of all we shouldnt even be talking about deca in this thread...second if your worried about hairloss the stay off aas...its going to happen unless you take preventative measures. Third, there are tons of reasons why you should not start aas without getting somewhat close to your natty potential. Here is a thread that is describing what I am talking about....read it

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598082-why-do-you-think-people-shuld-reach-their-genetic-potential-b4-aas.html

You could easily gain another 15 to 20 lbs before even using aas...your only 190lbs at 6' dude....im not trying to be a dick here but Im 6' and I remember how small 190 is...your not eating to grow right now and without the proper diet you wont grow on aas....You have been working out for 6 years and your only to 190??? Something isnt right here. Steroids are not a magic pill...you need to put in alot of hard work, dedication and eat a shit ton of food...its a lifestyle.

thats my advice....take it or leave it...(which you will probably leave it)

good luck

Hi Cobra, I totally understand what you're saying. The only reason why I'm only 190 pounds is because I like being around 7-8% bf. Now I work my ass off in the gym and really push myself, but the muscle building process seems a little slow(yes I did stay in a calorie deficit for a long time) compared to guys on the gear which is only normal I guess. I see my friends who only started 2 years ago catching up to me and even surpassing me while still looking cut. I just feel like I need that little push, these are the best years of my life and I'd love to reach my potential a lot quicker. I know steroids aren't a magic pill but I also know when you mix up the right diet with the high intensity training and get that little bit of a push you can achieve amazing results.

So the test seems to be good for start with some DHT blockers? Which test would you guys recommend?
 
Running 500mg of test/week is prolly gonna make you sensitive around your nips. You should be ready for that with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand. Arimidex or Aeromasin.
Would not recommend running the deca without test included.
If you run the deca with test you should have donstinex on hand for sides from deca.
 
Hi Cobra, I totally understand what you're saying. The only reason why I'm only 190 pounds is because I like being around 7-8% bf. Now I work my ass off in the gym and really push myself, but the muscle building process seems a little slow(yes I did stay in a calorie deficit for a long time) compared to guys on the gear which is only normal I guess. I see my friends who only started 2 years ago catching up to me and even surpassing me while still looking cut. I just feel like I need that little push, these are the best years of my life and I'd love to reach my potential a lot quicker. I know steroids aren't a magic pill but I also know when you mix up the right diet with the high intensity training and get that little bit of a push you can achieve amazing results.

So the test seems to be good for start with some DHT blockers? Which test would you guys recommend?

Proscar (Propecia) will greatly reduce the conversion of Test to DHT - the main culprit in on cycle hair loss.

Most GP will script you on Proscar and most health insurance plans will cover Proscar in the 5 mg tablet - cut it into 4 pieces and use one piece a day.
 
test only cycle, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), and pct...with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand.....your hair won't fall out, yet......unless your pops was bald at a young age i would think that you will be fine. i am 39 have done quite a few cycles over the years and my hair is thick
 
This is exactly the kind of attitude that shows your a newbie...Im still not understanding why user and ez hasnt touched on this so I will.

First of all we shouldnt even be talking about deca in this thread...second if your worried about hairloss the stay off aas...its going to happen unless you take preventative measures. Third, there are tons of reasons why you should not start aas without getting somewhat close to your natty potential. Here is a thread that is describing what I am talking about....read it

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...uld-reach-their-genetic-potential-b4-aas.html

You could easily gain another 15 to 20 lbs before even using aas...your only 190lbs at 6' dude....im not trying to be a dick here but Im 6' and I remember how small 190 is...your not eating to grow right now and without the proper diet you wont grow on aas....You have been working out for 6 years and your only to 190??? Something isnt right here. Steroids are not a magic pill...you need to put in alot of hard work, dedication and eat a shit ton of food...its a lifestyle.

thats my advice....take it or leave it...(which you will probably leave it)

good luck

excellent point man:biggthump
 
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