Need EXPERIENCED member for Insulin cycle help

[numba1scrapper]

Ok, im on my last month or so of my 4th cycle of Test E 625/ Tren E 400.. Gains? Of course, but I think I want to start competing soon or at least 1 competition and although I think I have made GREAT progress I dont think id win any kind of title as I stand. I think HGH would be a waiste for me at this present time but I think Insulin would blow me the fuck up and turn me into a monster. I really dont want to die here as Insulin is alot more dangerous then AAS but my life revolves around lifting and im ready to get fucking BIG! lol.

Right now im right around 200lbs, probably 10-11% bf and 5"7

Im thinking I wanna go with Humulin-R as its very fast acting and used alot which hopefully means I can get alot of feedback.

QUESTIONS -

How long do I go on and how long do I go off?

Based on my weight, what dose should I start with, how quickly should I increase my dose and once I become comfortible and tolerant what dosage should I stick with?

With Humulin-R how quick or long after my shot should I consume carbs? Does the timing have be 100% precise?

Whats the best sweets to keep around to avoid hypoglycemia, soda, candy, maybe straight sugar??

What can I expect to gain on a cycle or over a certain time spand?


thanks bros!!

 

[numba1scrapper]

Current status pic taken yesterday night

 

[UserAt204]

When I have a minute, I'll get back to you on this one, but what's your plan? I would spend some more time reading on this one because you do need to be fairly exact with carbs, protien, fats. Don't expect to get huge from slin.

 

[numba1scrapper]

When I have a minute, I'll get back to you on this one, but what's your plan? I would spend some more time reading on this one because you do need to be fairly exact with carbs, protien, fats. Don't expect to get huge from slin.

My plan is to get stupid big, 225 is the goal for the moment.. DONT expect to get huge from slin? Isnt slin the most anabolic drug u can take? Ive spoke w local pro bbs and they told me if i wanna compete i HAVE to run slin and that its the KEY.

 

[LANDSCAPE1]

Ok, im on my last month or so of my 4th cycle of Test E 625/ Tren E 400.. Gains? Of course, but I think I want to start competing soon or at least 1 competition and although I think I have made GREAT progress I dont think id win any kind of title as I stand. I think HGH would be a waiste for me at this present time but I think Insulin would blow me the fuck up and turn me into a monster. I really dont want to die here as Insulin is alot more dangerous then AAS but my life revolves around lifting and im ready to get fucking BIG! lol.

Right now im right around 200lbs, probably 10-11% bf and 5"7

Im thinking I wanna go with Humulin-R as its very fast acting and used alot which hopefully means I can get alot of feedback.

QUESTIONS -

How long do I go on and how long do I go off?

Based on my weight, what dose should I start with, how quickly should I increase my dose and once I become comfortible and tolerant what dosage should I stick with?

With Humulin-R how quick or long after my shot should I consume carbs? Does the timing have be 100% precise?

Whats the best sweets to keep around to avoid hypoglycemia, soda, candy, maybe straight sugar??

What can I expect to gain on a cycle or over a certain time spand?


thanks bros!!

Your more than 10-11%. . . Do u have any diabetes history in your family?

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

I ran it and put on 40 pounds lean and kept all but 5 pounds. If you eat a cup of yogurt right after you pin and follow with a shake and them eat a meal a hour later you will be happy. 10 grams of carbs per iu of slin.

I used humalin-r

 

[numba1scrapper]

Your more than 10-11%. . . Do u have any diabetes history in your family?

Im 95% sure im not, i did a skin fold 2 months ago and i was 12%, since then ive thinned out ALOT.... no record that i know of.

 

[numba1scrapper]

I ran it and put on 40 pounds lean and kept all but 5 pounds. If you eat a cup of yogurt right after you pin and follow with a shake and them eat a meal a hour later you will be happy. 10 grams of carbs per iu of slin.

I used humalin-r

40 pounds!? Holy fuck! In what time length? I need to grab some asap, just wanna do it somewhat responsibly

 

[LANDSCAPE1]

I ran it and put on 40 pounds lean and kept all but 5 pounds. If you eat a cup of yogurt right after you pin and follow with a shake and them eat a meal a hour later you will be happy. 10 grams of carbs per iu of slin.

I used humalin-r

Damn son. . . How long/iu's u run?. . . whatd they shake consist of?

 

[135lbPULLUPS]

I ran it and put on 40 pounds lean and kept all but 5 pounds. If you eat a cup of yogurt right after you pin and follow with a shake and them eat a meal a hour later you will be happy. 10 grams of carbs per iu of slin.

I used humalin-r

Why not type up a nice how to insulin guide for steroidology?

 

[UserAt204]

Scrapper. This is a general way to run it. You look pretty cut now. Good job. Most people won't gain 40lbs at a time and if done wrong you can get fat.

10g carbs per iu
Start low like 2 to 4 iu post workout
Run it a few days then go up by 1 or 2 iu with the goal being 10iu
Everytime you increase, you may have to adjust carbs the first day or two because it may cause stronger hypo feeling after each increase.
4 weeks on 4 off. Best with test and gh. I wouldn't do without test.

Once you get use to it, most require closer to 6 to 8g carbs per iu but stick to 10g. When you get around 10 iu you may need more at first.

Take in carbs and protien within 15 minutes of inject (carbs plus 40 to 60g protien, 10g bcaa's) 1 hour later have a full meal. You want to eat no fat or very low fat during the 6 hours humilin r can be active. Most say 4 hours for h-r

Keep some glucose tabs on hand and a can of coke or something with sugar. For carbs at time of inject you can use dextrose or something similar as part of a shake

Don't go to sleep for 6 hours after your inject.

The next cycle add 5 iu first thing in the morning with a carb/protien shake then a full meal 1 hour later. I would start low here too.

I know I'm leaving a bunch out but you need to be careful with it and time things properly. Hypo can hit fast and your vision will start to go dark, you will be tired,shaky, sweating. Don't fuck around, get some fast acting carbs if it hits and do not sleep until it's out of your system.

You look like you have put some time in. I hate posting about this cause guys who don't know what they are doing will want to jump on this either because they can't get gear or weigh 160 and think they will get huge.

The shit will make you super strong and you will feel like that all day.

Google slin cycles, im sure there is some detailed ways to use it. Again I'm sure I have left some things out, it's late and im tired as hell so let me know if you have more questions and I'll try to post something not so scattered tomorrow.


And this is not for NEWBS you can go into a coma and die easily.

 

[RJ]

this thread is all kinds of fucked up.

1. Humalin R is NOT very fast acting. Humalog is.

2. NO ONE is gaining 35lbs of muscle by simply adding Slin. i don't care who you are. I have worked with several Nat'l level comps and had a couple pros help me out and they will tell you the same thing. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but i wish people would stop with the "you can gain 40lbs on this and that" bullshit.

3. Anyone who tells you you HAVE to take Slin to win any shows... ANY shows, is a fucking idiot and I wouldn't listen to another word from them.

Numba, you are not 10%. I'd put you more like 12-13% based on that pic. With that being said, all SLin is gonna do for you is put on sloppy weight. Yes it will make you strong, but this is not the answer. You still haven't even reached your full potential yet, and you got a good frame to start with. You are relying on gear and that is not what you need to have a GREAT physique.

And what you said about GH makes it even more clear that you need to step back re-evaluate your priorities. Slin is not what you need right now, and you certainly don't need it to win a show. GH would actually be a better choice of the two, but thats not what you need either.

I honestly don't see much change in your physique from your last cycle. Sorry, but its the truth and I only say it because i feel you are on the wrong path. People won't be honest about shit like this and you'll end up regretting it.

USER put up a great little guide on how to do it, but i wouldn't until you get your shit straight. And please don't think you can gain 40 lean pounds doing this cuz you will end up fat.

Now, if you do it, 4 weeks is max I would suggest. with at least as much time off as on. saying eat yogurt and than a shake and then a meal is poor advice also. Its not that simple. Yes you need fast carbs PWO, but the following meal should be free of fat. Nice pro/carb meal is what you need.

And not everyone needs 10g of carbs per IU of Slin. Start with that and gauge your shit from there. Slin is mega anabolic, but it doesn't discriminate... meaning it will shuttle everything you eat, even fat.

Hope this helps as you need honest answers, but bullshit that could lead to you getting hurt.

RJ

 

[UserAt204]

Very well said RJ. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that way about it.

 

[numba1scrapper]

this thread is all kinds of fucked up.

1. Humalin R is NOT very fast acting. Humalog is.

2. NO ONE is gaining 35lbs of muscle by simply adding Slin. i don't care who you are. I have worked with several Nat'l level comps and had a couple pros help me out and they will tell you the same thing. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but i wish people would stop with the "you can gain 40lbs on this and that" bullshit.

3. Anyone who tells you you HAVE to take Slin to win any shows... ANY shows, is a fucking idiot and I wouldn't listen to another word from them.

Numba, you are not 10%. I'd put you more like 12-13% based on that pic. With that being said, all SLin is gonna do for you is put on sloppy weight. Yes it will make you strong, but this is not the answer. You still haven't even reached your full potential yet, and you got a good frame to start with. You are relying on gear and that is not what you need to have a GREAT physique.

And what you said about GH makes it even more clear that you need to step back re-evaluate your priorities. Slin is not what you need right now, and you certainly don't need it to win a show. GH would actually be a better choice of the two, but thats not what you need either.

I honestly don't see much change in your physique from your last cycle. Sorry, but its the truth and I only say it because i feel you are on the wrong path. People won't be honest about shit like this and you'll end up regretting it.

USER put up a great little guide on how to do it, but i wouldn't until you get your shit straight. And please don't think you can gain 40 lean pounds doing this cuz you will end up fat.

Now, if you do it, 4 weeks is max I would suggest. with at least as much time off as on. saying eat yogurt and than a shake and then a meal is poor advice also. Its not that simple. Yes you need fast carbs PWO, but the following meal should be free of fat. Nice pro/carb meal is what you need.

And not everyone needs 10g of carbs per IU of Slin. Start with that and gauge your shit from there. Slin is mega anabolic, but it doesn't discriminate... meaning it will shuttle everything you eat, even fat.

Hope this helps as you need honest answers, but bullshit that could lead to you getting hurt.

RJ

Humalin R IS a fast acting insulin its just not the FASTEST, a non fast acting insulin would like lantus which I've heard stays active for 24 hours. I dont have access to humalog or thats what I'd be taking to be honest, no waiting to eat carbs and its in and out of your system quick.

Rj, you say the person saying that you dont need slin to win big boy bbing compeitions is an idiot... Would you say the same thing about AAS? Someones an idiot for saying you NEED AAS to win or place? Honestly I would agree with the person that said you DID. Im beyond working out for the "beach body" look, if I WASNT then YES, I would agree and say no fucking way would I need to run slin OR aas for that matter. 101% or pro bodybuilders are on AAS, HGH and SLIN.. WHY? Becuase they work miracles! I am only defending the local who told me slin is key becuase the guy is a fucking monster and wins every show competition AND powerlifting competition I know of.

I'll test my bf next week however to say that slin will just put on sloppy weight for me is down talking me. I take no offense as im pretty sure your just trying to help but I am probably one of the most dedicated bodybuilders on this site aside from the big boys whos carreer it is or someone like yourself who trains for a living which will soon be me as well. This being said you will only get fat on slin if you dont do it as reccomended for bbing. I take my shakes within 15 minutes of waking up, pre workout and post workout, I count and write down every single calorie, carb, protein and fat that goes into my body and 87% of it is clean food. I workout a religious 5 days a week and have not missed a day in years and WILL not miss a day. I do not drink, I do not smoke, my party days are behind me.

At 22 years old and for what MY specific goals are I think what I said about HGH is right on point. I am trying to get big and get big fast, thats IT. What is HGH going to do for me? From what I've heard, its great for staying lean but a poor and expensive choice for adding mass and absolutely adding the mass that I want to add.


BTW, if you cant see change and I dont just mean "little" change from my last cycle to this one there is something terribly wrong.

 

[stang50]

Just my personal opinion, i think you can accomplish a whole lot more with AAS alone, without the slin or HGH. This is only your 4th cycle, i believe? Youve come a long way but i think you can get much bigger with just food and AAS. But I have also heard that the 3 combimed are needed to become a real monster. What are your goals in the end? Youre 5-7, are you looking to be a freaky 230-240, which would be huge for your hieght? You have to consider that if you do get that big, youll only be able to maintain a certain size naturally without doing a "maintenance dose" of test.

 

[numba1scrapper]

Just my personal opinion, i think you can accomplish a whole lot more with AAS alone, without the slin or HGH. This is only your 4th cycle, i believe? Youve come a long way but i think you can get much bigger with just food and AAS. But I have also heard that the 3 combimed are needed to become a real monster. What are your goals in the end? Youre 5-7, are you looking to be a freaky 230-240, which would be huge for your hieght? You have to consider that if you do get that big, youll only be able to maintain a certain size naturally without doing a "maintenance dose" of test.

Hey Stang, thanks for the response. You are probably right that I can get bigger with just aas and food but dont you think a low dose of slin would speed this up and make my journey a bit easier? Im sure my present body could have been achieved without aas but it would have taken me years longer then without them. Im not lazy by anymeans I just want to do anything possible to get to where I want to be. YES, I want to be a freak for my size. To start I would like to hit and maintain 225 but somehow I think when I get there I'll want to gain.. I dont think ill ever want to get over 240, 240 may be a long term goal... By maintenance dose of test, do you mean running all yr round? If so, I have already been considering it and have no problem doing so if that helps me take my bodybuilding to the next level.

 

[UserAt204]

This is going to be your choice in the end so lay out a plan and stick to it. I wouldn't go over 10 iu post workout, I would stay away from doing it pre workout and eventually would build up to 5 iu first thing in the morning as well. That's plenty. Again 0 fat during the 6 hours humilin r is active. I would only do 4 weeks then take 8 or more weeks off. You can do 4 on 4 off but no need to go at it to fast. I would write out a plan of every carb, protien, bcaa, and other supps and the times you plan to take them all. And keep everything you need just in case you go hypo. I wouldn't dose at the gym then drive home to get your carbs/protien. Do it all at home so you can be prepared.

Hypo symptoms come on fast and hard. I know a guy who would inject in the gym right after training then drive home (15minutes) to get his shake. He did this until his car broke down (new car) on the way home, went hypo, and was only saved by a paramedic who happened to drive by and he was able to flag him down.

Just be smart about it because everyone will respond different. It may be no big deal for you or you may struggle with it.

I'm sure you are tired of all the warnings so I'll stop with all that. I gave you a loose set up so you will need to refine that.

Good luck. Post some pics if you go through with it. I really don't support it's use because it can be dangerous but you make your own choices

 

[stang50]

Yes by maintenance dose I meant running a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) kind of dose, say 250-300mg per wk to hold on to your gains, I don't think it's the smartest thing to do. Say you hit 230-240, for your height that's pretty big, if you came off cycle at that size you'd probably drop back to 215-220, but who knows that's just a guess. A matter of hitting your genetic limit, your body can only carry so much muscle mass naturally.

 

[numba1scrapper]

This is going to be your choice in the end so lay out a plan and stick to it. I wouldn't go over 10 iu post workout, I would stay away from doing it pre workout and eventually would build up to 5 iu first thing in the morning as well. That's plenty. Again 0 fat during the 6 hours humilin r is active. I would only do 4 weeks then take 8 or more weeks off. You can do 4 on 4 off but no need to go at it to fast. I would write out a plan of every carb, protien, bcaa, and other supps and the times you plan to take them all. And keep everything you need just in case you go hypo. I wouldn't dose at the gym then drive home to get your carbs/protien. Do it all at home so you can be prepared.

Hypo symptoms come on fast and hard. I know a guy who would inject in the gym right after training then drive home (15minutes) to get his shake. He did this until his car broke down (new car) on the way home, went hypo, and was only saved by a paramedic who happened to drive by and he was able to flag him down.

Just be smart about it because everyone will respond different. It may be no big deal for you or you may struggle with it.

I'm sure you are tired of all the warnings so I'll stop with all that. I gave you a loose set up so you will need to refine that.

Good luck. Post some pics if you go through with it. I really don't support it's use because it can be dangerous but you make your own choices

So I only have inject once daily? Also, what if I workout late, around 11pm and cant really hit the gym at any other time? Id say it'd be risky to pin pre OR post workout when I usually go to bed before 6 hours of finishing my workout. Can I pin when I first wake up? I drink my shakes right when I wake up anyway and all I'll have to do is eat a meal an hour after waking up after getting dressed and what not. It would be timed perfectly. I count all of my carbs, proteins, fats anyway so that shouldnt be a problem.. Last, I was never expecting to gain 40 pounds from a 4 week cycle, but any idea how much I COULD gain? Also, is slin like aas where you loose a percent of your gains and if so how much?

 

[cyto33]

Human R is a 70/30 split. its a mix of sline thats 70% 4-6hour in the system and the 30% is the fast acting. so using this will be a little diffrent then humanlog which is fast acting.
clean food and good fast acting carbs are going to be key in this. and ita a month on and off for the cycle.