Need EXPERIENCED member for Insulin cycle help

[UserAt204]

And no I don't think just the morning dose will accomplish much of anything for you. It's job is shuttling nutrients. That's why you take all the bcaa's and protiens right after training then with the meal later. You want this directly after training. And I definitely wouldn't use that dose if you go to bed within 6 hours of that inject.

Yes you only need to inject one time a day or twice I guess you could try to get some humalog which is fast acting and will be clear in about 4 hours.

 

[L3.]

At 22 years old and for what MY specific goals are I think what I said about HGH is right on point. I am trying to get big and get big fast, thats IT. What is HGH going to do for me? From what I've heard, its great for staying lean but a poor and expensive choice for adding mass and absolutely adding the mass that I want to add.

fact: HGH is the single greatest drug to ever be used in bodybuilding, don't bash it because you can't afford it

learn the difference between hypertrophy and hyperplasia.

stay safe with the slin - going hypo is FUCKING awful.

 

[numba1scrapper]

fact: HGH is the single greatest drug to ever be used in bodybuilding, don't bash it because you can't afford it

learn the difference between hypertrophy and hyperplasia.

stay safe with the slin - going hypo is FUCKING awful.

Cant afford it? lol... I'd buy 10ml bottles of test for $500 if it was the cheapest supplier I could find, money is not a concern of mine at all when it comes to bodybuilding. do some READING, hgh is a poor MASS gainer... im looking to add MASS. Loosing bodyfat is not a difficult task at all for me, I just want to get big before I cut.

BTW, who said HGH is the SINGLE greatest drug to ever be used in bodybuilding? Becuase I would say AAS are fucking SUPERIOR to HGH. HGH isnt gaining you 40 pounds in your off season, 100mg dbol, 1500mg test E and 800-1000mg of deca will do JUST that.

 

[yourtoy195]

wow

 

[numba1scrapper]

I agree fully that HGH is the greatest SINGLE drug that has ever been introduced to Bodybuilding. I would even take that statement further and pose the idea; HGH is the greatest single drug that has been introduced to nearly all sports.

Yes AAS' are great but when you take that 100mg D-bol how wet are you? When you come off your cycle how much do you lose?

From my experience with GH you keep such a higher percentage of the gains, not only from the GH but it helps you keep some of the gains from AAS' stacked with it. It can literally be ran for years SAFELY. It if amazing in the aspect of providing an athlete with MORE cells to work with... Pretty sure that is as good as it gets.

If the Arnold build was "IN" by judges these days I would say your right but its NOT. The biggest, freakiest looking motherfucker out there wins in the eyes of judges and HGH will NOT make you that. The MASS gains that go with HGH are minimal, the gains you can make with aas are rediculous, you cant even compare aas to hgh in bodybuilding imo. If steroids did NOT exisit and HGH DID, do you really think Jay Cutler would look the way he does now? Cmon guys, im not doubting the greatness of HGH whatsoever, its a mirical drug for age reversal and staying lean and loosing bodyfat, but when it comes to adding serious MASS which bodybuilding judges require AAS are superior.

 

[UserAt204]

I'm gonna have to go with AAS over gh. If it was the other way around, none of us would be using AAS. And gh ist all that expensive anymore with all the Chinese generic and deals that go around. Gh is great in combination with AAS. A lot of time slin is added to gain mass because gh can make a person less sensitive to insulin and that's part of the reason it's good at leaning. Gh without AAS IMO will not cause much mass at all. It's the synergy between the compounds that has a good effect but AAS are the most important in putting on size. Pros are using anything that can give them an edge when AAS cant do much more on AAS alone and the addition of gh can help, and it allows them to get the massive amount of calories and keep lean.

Gh is great but it's not a supierior mass builder by it's self.

 

[RJ]

numba you are clearly looking at this the wrong way and have no idea how or why to do either GH or Slin. GH induces hyperplasia. Which means more muscle cells. Anabolism is only making the muscles you have bigger. But youonly have so many muscle cells. But with GH you add more, and combined with AAS you make all of the new and old cells bigger. That is called going beyong genetics, and that is why you have no idea wht the hell you are talking about and why this is a bad idea all around. And thus why GH has changed the face of BBIng. So has Slin yes, but with Slin you are only making those cells bigger that you already have, and you will never get past a certain point without adding GH.

And i never said you don't need AAS to compete. Nor did i say everyone isn't using it. You skipped over everything i said because you are gonna do this regardless of what anyone says, which is a shame, because i still say if you waited, you would have a great chance and winning some shows.

At this point though, this is all ego, and not intelligence, and that is why you will most likely fail. That and less than 1% of BBers have the genetics to make it in this game. I don't care how dedicated you are. And saying you are more dedicated than most makes you sound immature and quite frankly, pretty ignorant.

Hope all works for you. Be glad you say you can lose fat easily, cause you'll need that ability here soon.

 

[UserAt204]

Very good points here RJ. I think you got the point across better than I can.

 

[yourtoy195]

frank zane

 

[LANDSCAPE1]

I beg to differ. Arnold lost his title to one man... Frank ZANE, the "greek god" of bodybuilding. Because of his "perfect" figure. Fank Zane once said "I only have muscle where I want it." Those who win are not JUST the biggest freakiest guy up there. They are big, symetrical, DRY, LEAN, and vascular. The competitors wouldn't be able to maintain their leaness year round WITHOUT HGH. Guys were huge before HGH came onto the scene, they were lean, but they were not AS BIG, or AS LEAN. It has provided that edge for all major competitors. HGH came onto the scene and changed that game, changed the size, and drew an entirely different line for perfection.

I pose this question... If HGH didnt exsist could Jay Cutler look the way he does now?
I am fairly certain because of HGH he now has MORE cells for AAS to stretch and make swole. haha

Frank was a stud!. . . His build was legendary. . . Arnold had weider up his ass, and ofcourse nobody could ever touch Arnie's all around drive/passion/marketing/intelligence for his profession . . I would rather look like Frank though. . . been looking into his books/method of training. . .

 

[numba1scrapper]

numba you are clearly looking at this the wrong way and have no idea how or why to do either GH or Slin. GH induces hyperplasia. Which means more muscle cells. Anabolism is only making the muscles you have bigger. But youonly have so many muscle cells. But with GH you add more, and combined with AAS you make all of the new and old cells bigger. That is called going beyong genetics, and that is why you have no idea wht the hell you are talking about and why this is a bad idea all around. And thus why GH has changed the face of BBIng. So has Slin yes, but with Slin you are only making those cells bigger that you already have, and you will never get past a certain point without adding GH.

And i never said you don't need AAS to compete. Nor did i say everyone isn't using it. You skipped over everything i said because you are gonna do this regardless of what anyone says, which is a shame, because i still say if you waited, you would have a great chance and winning some shows.

At this point though, this is all ego, and not intelligence, and that is why you will most likely fail. That and less than 1% of BBers have the genetics to make it in this game. I don't care how dedicated you are. And saying you are more dedicated than most makes you sound immature and quite frankly, pretty ignorant.

Hope all works for you. Be glad you say you can lose fat easily, cause you'll need that ability here soon.

Rj, not sure why your going all bananas here, I dont believe I offended you in anyway, for you to go all crazy over me asking questions and stating my dedications in terms to the fact that im ready to step to the next level is odd. I learn about aas, slin and hgh from reading, I've never claimed to take anything other than aas before.. This being said anywhere you read, HGH is a poor mass gainer which as you know is my goal. Yes, I know the combination of the three benefits one another, but the extent was unknown. I did NOT know that you could actually SURPASS your genetic limits in size and grow new muscle cells with HGH and BECAUSE of the information you have provided me with I will consider it. Your wrong about doing anything reguardless, I made this thread to collect information, if I was goling to do it anyway I wouldnt have even made this thread and just did it.

Now that thats out of the way, in order to create NEW muscle cells to go beyond your genetic limit as you said with HGH, wouldnt you have to become anabolic to the point where youv'e made the muscles you already have to the biggest point that they can possibly get to with aas and possibly slin first? Wouldnt HGH be a waiste of time and money UNTIL you've maximized the muscle size that you already have? Does this make sense? I dont understand how taking HGH would help create new muscle cells when my existing muscle cells arent maxed out yet?

..Dont think im talking like a badass or with a fuckyou attitude, Ology is pretty much all I've got and if I dont know something or need an opinion on something im going to asl.

 

[LANDSCAPE1]

Run the slin, and log it here

 

[UserAt204]

Scrapper what he's talking about is, gh passes through the liver and produces igf, igf wil cause hyperplasia or the creation of new muscle cells. With AAS you grow the cells you currently have, so with gh, through igf you create new ones then grow them with AAS. I don't think it would be a waste at any point simply because the more cells that you can maximize, the bigger they and you can get.

The igf peptides claim to cause hyperplasia, but I don't believe it to be true. They may do so in a petrie dish, but not in the human body. Gh is the only thing that can do this.

 

[numba1scrapper]

Scrapper what he's talking about is, gh passes through the liver and produces igf, igf wil cause hyperplasia or the creation of new muscle cells. With AAS you grow the cells you currently have, so with gh, through igf you create new ones then grow them with AAS. I don't think it would be a waste at any point simply because the more cells that you can maximize, the bigger they and you can get.

The igf peptides claim to cause hyperplasia, but I don't believe it to be true. They may do so in a petrie dish, but not in the human body. Gh is the only thing that can do this.

Cool man, I think I got it now, thanks

 

[numba1scrapper]

Run the slin, and log it here

Think I may finish up this test/tren cycle do my pct and then hop right onto a AAS/HGH/Slin cycle. I'll let you know..

Quick question about that though.. Since HGH is only good in longer cycles and slin shouldnt be ran longer then 4 weeks when should I combine the aas with the slin and HGH?

 

[LANDSCAPE1]

Think I may finish up this test/tren cycle do my pct and then hop right onto a AAS/HGH/Slin cycle. I'll let you know..

Quick question about that though.. Since HGH is only good in longer cycles and slin shouldnt be ran longer then 4 weeks when should I combine the aas with the slin and HGH?

Most of these people running around repeating that "only in 6+months cycles". . havent even ran it bro. . Im sure it IS better to run for the long haul, but if i only had 2-3 months worth, you bet your ass id run it. Many members whom i visited with have ran it in shorter cycles/and have good results. Hell it may not even be for you. I cant run peptides/found that out. . . So give it a shot and see
Id start off w the hgh, then add the slin(4on 4-8weeks off)/test. . that why u can tell whats doing what. I would however research it more on what its going take to run it safely! like we talked about. Your gonna need diabetic supplies bro/its gonna be a pain in the ass. If you didnt work for yourself i dont think you could pull it off. Some of these guys still cant even count calories on here. .
There's elite trainers that can help tweak you last questions on the compound.

You cant blame these guys trying to differ you on this. . . Cause theres always gonna be some dumbass kid coming up short on this and itll be on Nancy Grace. . .

Ps She gets on my nerves son

 

[RJ]

Rj, not sure why your going all bananas here, I dont believe I offended you in anyway, for you to go all crazy over me asking questions and stating my dedications in terms to the fact that im ready to step to the next level is odd. I learn about aas, slin and hgh from reading, I've never claimed to take anything other than aas before.. This being said anywhere you read, HGH is a poor mass gainer which as you know is my goal. Yes, I know the combination of the three benefits one another, but the extent was unknown. I did NOT know that you could actually SURPASS your genetic limits in size and grow new muscle cells with HGH and BECAUSE of the information you have provided me with I will consider it. Your wrong about doing anything reguardless, I made this thread to collect information, if I was goling to do it anyway I wouldnt have even made this thread and just did it.

Now that thats out of the way, in order to create NEW muscle cells to go beyond your genetic limit as you said with HGH, wouldnt you have to become anabolic to the point where youv'e made the muscles you already have to the biggest point that they can possibly get to with aas and possibly slin first? Wouldnt HGH be a waiste of time and money UNTIL you've maximized the muscle size that you already have? Does this make sense? I dont understand how taking HGH would help create new muscle cells when my existing muscle cells arent maxed out yet?

..Dont think im talking like a badass or with a fuckyou attitude, Ology is pretty much all I've got and if I dont know something or need an opinion on something im going to asl.

you didn't offend me at all numba, but i felt like you were heading in the wrong direction, especially after hearing DPRs ridiculous claim to gaining 35lbs of LBM by taking Slin.

Honestly i don't think 99% of rec BBers need to take Slin. Doesn't mean you can't, but taking it simply to get big without knowing the why and how is retarded. So if i was too quick to pass judgement, i apologize.

Now, here's my take. I would rather see you take the GH first for at least 3 months before you start even messing with Slin. Reason being is you need to be able to determine what is doing what and why before you start adding other things.

Landscape is correct in that you will get some benefit out of the GH even at that length, but i wouldn't even waste my money if you can't do it for 4-6 months as after 3 months IMO is when the magic really happens. Believe me, i was on GH for almost 2 years and messed with Slin a bunch during that time. And yes the combo of the three is like no other. Over a significant period of time yes you can pull off some massive gains in LBM, but don't expect it in one run of Slin. It just won't happen.

Just watch what you eat cuz as i said, it don't discriminate, and you can get fat really easy. Not like blob fat, just sloppy weight fat, and you don't want that.

i would spend some more time getting all your ducks in a row. Pick a plan, and go for it.

And def log it. I'd be interested to see what happens.

Oh yeah, get some Humalog. i know Humalin R is FASTER acting, but you want Log i promise. Much less chance of going hypo at night, and much quicker to get it in and out of your system so you can lead a normal life. lol

Good luck.

 

[numba1scrapper]

you didn't offend me at all numba, but i felt like you were heading in the wrong direction, especially after hearing DPRs ridiculous claim to gaining 35lbs of LBM by taking Slin.

Honestly i don't think 99% of rec BBers need to take Slin. Doesn't mean you can't, but taking it simply to get big without knowing the why and how is retarded. So if i was too quick to pass judgement, i apologize.

Now, here's my take. I would rather see you take the GH first for at least 3 months before you start even messing with Slin. Reason being is you need to be able to determine what is doing what and why before you start adding other things.

Landscape is correct in that you will get some benefit out of the GH even at that length, but i wouldn't even waste my money if you can't do it for 4-6 months as after 3 months IMO is when the magic really happens. Believe me, i was on GH for almost 2 years and messed with Slin a bunch during that time. And yes the combo of the three is like no other. Over a significant period of time yes you can pull off some massive gains in LBM, but don't expect it in one run of Slin. It just won't happen.

Just watch what you eat cuz as i said, it don't discriminate, and you can get fat really easy. Not like blob fat, just sloppy weight fat, and you don't want that.

i would spend some more time getting all your ducks in a row. Pick a plan, and go for it.

And def log it. I'd be interested to see what happens.

Oh yeah, get some Humalog. i know Humalin R is FASTER acting, but you want Log i promise. Much less chance of going hypo at night, and much quicker to get it in and out of your system so you can lead a normal life. lol

Good luck.

I agree however All I can get my hands on is humalin r... I think gen used to have it but after there bust I dont feel comfertible going near them... All I use now is naps, z and alin and none of them have humalog.

 

[RJ]

I agree however All I can get my hands on is humalin r... I think gen used to have it but after there bust I dont feel comfertible going near them... All I use now is naps, z and alin and none of them have humalog.

check some of the canadian pharms online. I got a bottle of log from one years ago. One bottle of INsulin lasts forever.

if you can't, the R is fine, just watch the waiting time before you go to bed. Going hypo is NO FUN!!