Need help with 1st Cycle, Sust+Primo+DecaDurabolin+Dianabol

[LifterX]

Need help with 1st Cycle, Sostanon+Primo+DecaDurabolin+Dianabol

I haven't done a cycle before. I'm 28, and have been lifting for quite awhile now. Lifting naturally at 5'6" and 175lbs, I have squatted 585lbs, deadlifted 425, benched 275 but never with any roids. I had my testosterone level tested two years ago, and my doctor as well as the lab person insisted that I was on steroids but wasn't admitting it to them because my levels are over double the reference range for an 18 year old male. I don't want my body's own testosterone production permenantly reduced after doing a cycle, so I want feedback on what dosages won't make that happen. I decided to include Sostanon because I don't want to wind up with "Deca Dick" or temporary impotence during the cycle and my wife wouldn't like that either. So that's why I also wanted at least one steroid that is androgenic. Other than that, I'm looking for solid, maintainable gains that will last beyond the end of the cycle. I'm thinking of doing an 8 week cycle, here's what I have. I need ideas on how to dose it and which roids to use and which ones not to use. Also, I want to avoid mixing steroids of different concentrations while doing an injection because I've read that the more dilute the concentration the poorer the absorption winds up being. That said, it would work fine to combine 1cc of Sostanon and 1cc of Deca Durabolin for a single injection wouldn't it?
I have:
5 amps Primobolan 1cc/100mg per cc
1 vial Deca Durabolin 10cc/250mg per cc
200 Thai Dbol which is apparently only 2 mg per tab instead of 5
15 amps Sostanon 1cc/250mg per cc
40 amps Durabolin 1cc/25mg per cc (my wife's the one that uses Durabolin actually, but I figured it might be good for the last week of this cycle since it's a short half life steroid)
Plenty of Nolvadex
20 tabs clomid, for raising natural test levels afterward

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum..............

 

[alfa23]

looks to me like you need to go shopping, you dont have enough of anythi9ng to really give you a cycle, i would personally go for dianabol only for a first cycle but thats because that is my first cycle, im sure someone can give you better advice than i can on this

 

[JohnnyB]

You don't need d-bol for your first cycle. Get somemore sus and run it for 8-10 weeks. You don't the rest save them for later.

JohnnyB

 

[J steel]

get some more Sustanon (sust) so you can do 500mg for 10 weeks. if you want, throw the deca in at 1 cc per week.........but for your first, i would just stick with the Sustanon (sust) and see how you do.

forget the dbols for now............and sorry to say, but 5 amps of primo will get you nowhere.

as for ancillaries, i don't think you have enough clomid if they are dosed at 50mg per pill. if you are going to do the standard 300mg D1, 100mg D2-11, 50mg D12-21..........you need 3 dozen pills.

its great you have nolva, but i would get some liquidex just in case you bloat easily from the test, try one of the liquid sites.

 

[LifterX]

There is a total of 2500mg of Deca Durabolin in that 10CC British Dragon, isn't that enough to grow on for a cycle? So far I'm thinking somthing like:

Week 1-4
Sostanon 250Mg/week
Deca Durabolin 250Mg/week
Dianabol 12Mg/day

Week 5
Sostanon 500Mg

Week 6-7
Deca Durabolin 750Mg/week

Week 8
Durabolin 100Mg+Nolvadex

Week 9 Clomid

My reasoning for week 5 is that Sostanon keeps test levels up for 4 weeks after the last injection so I want it to clear my system by the end of the cycle so my natural levels will recover faster. Week 8 is to allow the Deca Durabolin time to clear my system since it takes about 2 weeks until it no longer stops the body from producing its own test production. Does this look good, can this cycle be improved based on what I currently have to use? I want the cycles I do to be affordable as well as safe and effective. I don't think I'll be buying Dbol again because it just costs too much compared to other injectable alternatives.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

There is a total of 2500mg of Deca Durabolin in that 10CC British Dragon, isn't that enough to grow on for a cycle? So far I'm thinking somthing like:

Week 1-4
Sostanon 250Mg/week
Deca Durabolin 250Mg/week
Dianabol 12Mg/day

Week 5
Sostanon 500Mg

Week 6-7
Deca Durabolin 750Mg/week

Week 8
Durabolin 100Mg+Nolvadex

Week 9 Clomid

My reasoning for week 5 is that Sostanon keeps test levels up for 4 weeks after the last injection so I want it to clear my system by the end of the cycle so my natural levels will recover faster. Week 8 is to allow the Deca Durabolin time to clear my system since it takes about 2 weeks until it no longer stops the body from producing its own test production. Does this look good, can this cycle be improved based on what I currently have to use? I want the cycles I do to be affordable as well as safe and effective. I don't think I'll be buying Dbol again because it just costs too much compared to other injectable alternatives.

That is quite possibly one of the worst planned out cycles I have ever seen.....................

You need to do A WHOLE LOT more research !!

When you're ready run it like this;

Sust @ 500 mg/week for 10 weeks....that it....keep it simple

Start post cycle therapy (pct) 3 weeks after your last injection as follows using Clomid;
Day 1 - 300 mg
Day 2-11 - 100 mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50 mg/day

 

[HGH Man]

Give the Primo to your wife. You have'nt enough for you. Deca you should run at 400 mgs a week,a must. Sustanon to do it right you should do it every fours days to get it in your system. As for the D-bols about 2 mgs each,sheesh. You'd have to take 5 tabs before you work out and take after . That's only 20mgs but that should be enough for you.

 

[LifterX]

I only have the 15 amps of sostanon now, so would this work:
7 weeks 500mg sostanon
followed by
3 weeks 750mg Deca Durabolin
followed by
Clomid?

Or is the idea that Deca is pretty much useless compared to Sostanon?
Thanks.

 

[Bushwacker]

I would say get some more sust and do 500 mg of sust and 30 mg of dbol a week in there for around 4 to 6 weeks somewhere in the middle of your cycle-- alot of guys will used the dbo right from the start and thats ok too-- If this is your first cycle you will do great with 500 mg sust and 30 mg dbol per week- you always get really good gains your first cycle so don't take too much, its kinda a waiste
My first cycle was omnas and dbol-- omna is alot like sust-- I was on a pyramid cycle kinda like this
week1 500 mg omna
week2 to 4 250 mg omna
week5 375mg omna and 20 mg dbol
week6 to 8 500mg omna 30mg dbol
week 9 375 omna 20mg dbol
week 10 250 omna 10 mg dbol
week 11 and 12 250 omna

I also tapered down over the next month and a half with cypanate from 250mg a week to 100mg every 10 days
I got wicked results and was able to keep gaining after the peak of the cycle with 250 mg of omnadren
It worked for me and I did'nt need alot to get awsome results-- I'm still like that and I guess what I'm saying is 95% of all people get awsome results on their first cycle with low doses-- You should be able to put something together with what you have-- you kinda have to learn what your tolerence is for gear on your first one but the odds are you will blast up 20 lbs on low doses

 

[LifterX]

Provided that we take for granted that the test levels from a 500/week sostanon cycle are fine in the first week, that level can be maintained by alternating between 250 and 500mg/week according to roid calc. So, if I maintain the level I have in the first week in the successive weeks of the cycle by alternating between 1 and 2 amp injections each week, will the gains be good? What I mean, is how do people feel on the first week of a 500mg/week sostanon cycle? If the first week is good enough, then I'll do it that way and it will keep my cost down. Thanks for the last reply, it did give me a little more confidence that what I'm thinking of taking might be enough for good, solid gains since that cycle had a little less than a constant 500/week nonstop. Is before and after a workout the best time to add a little Dbol? Also, where does Deca fit in if not in a cycle with sostanon? When I read about the indivitual steroid profiles, it sounds like a good one and I like that it's supposed to give lasting results.

 

[HGH Man]

I think 30 mg of D-bol a day, ( Bushwacker said )but if it is your first cycle there
's no need to go overboard on D-bol. You could do 20mg a day.Sustanon ,ok to do every four days as said on Anabolic forum.Now Deca I like and I stick to 400 mgs a week,why go overboard it may shut you down hard for a while.Do you have Nolvaldex or perhaps clomid? It's good to keep around in case you need it.

 

[Bushwacker]

I usually taper my dbol up and down over a one month period so yea 20 mg every day would be fine-- First I'll say that I know alot of you don't agree with tapering cycles, and everyones reasons should be taken into consideration-- i find that if it is your first cycle you can get away with pyramid cycling since you will be able to hold all your HEAVY gains with a slightly lower dose-- I know alot of people are not going to like this cycle but I think since it is his first he can do pretty well with it-- keep in mind this is just a suggestion from what you now have and you might be better off with a steady dose of sustanon at 500 mg through out with the dbol thrown in-- but here is what you could do
1week 500 mg sust
2week250mg sust 250mg deca
3week 250 sust 250 deca
4week 375 suust 375 deca
5week 500mg sust 375 deca
6week 500mg sust 375mg deca
7week 375 sust 375mg deca
8week 375 sust 250mg deca
9week 375 sust 250mg deca
10week 250mg sust
The dbol can be put in there week 1 to 3 -- 250 sust is a low dose that some CAN gain from with dbol-- putting in a bit of deca in there will help and should work-- this is just something to keep in mind and its better to take it easier on your first and not stack a bunch of different compounds together-- the odds are that you will only be able to use a certain amount of test on your first and if you do too much you will get more sides than its worth-- I still recommend 500 mg of sust for 10 or 12 weeks with dbol but if you are stuck and want to just use what you have you could use the above pyramid cycle and whatever you start using try to use it for the whole cycle-- except dbol or any other tab-- just try not to switch in the middle, there could be a longer waiting period for the new compound to kick-- keep in touch and keep everyone else's opinion in mind--

 

[fatchops]

Sell your deca and get more sus
2mg thai dbol?? never heard of them before
500mg/wk sus 10 weeks will do you fine

Dont try to make all your gains on one cycle

 

[Bushwacker]

OK LIFTERX I just read your post and lets see if I can answer you questions--The sust will take about 2 weeks to fully kick in-- some people it takes longer like 3, you will feel a bit from it the first week but full effects take a while to kick-- I would'nt alternate I would pyramid up -- and insted of taking just low doses of sust stack it with a low dose of deca-- you will have 2 weeks of heavy doses that will/could stay in your system for 20 days following-- it will take about a week after the first 500mg dose for it to kick so plan on heavy training for 3 weeks at that time with LOTS of protien-- you will get the hang of it of how long it takes to kick and what to expect when the first dose kicks--The taper at the end will bring you down gradually without a bang your done feeling-- you will also be feeling the sust well after your last injection depending on how long it stays in your system, your bfr and how much sust got into your fat cells-- I would say do not alternate but do a pyramid cycle like I posted above that way you climb up and down slowly insted of up and down every 10 days-- keep in touch and I hope that helped

 

[LifterX]

3 weeks? That makes sense Bushwacker, because Roid Calc shows that at 500mg/week for example test levels near their peak for the cycle at the third injection on week 3 which means 700+mg in your system at that time. So if 700mg is the magic number to shoot for, I can take Dbol in the beginning to make up for the below 500mg concentration in my body during week 1 and 2, right? I shouldn't need the Dbol after the third week from the looks of it either if that's the reason for taking the Dbol to begin with. Dbol is much faster acting than oil based injectables, correct? If I take the following, I should give the cycle a kick start and keep my test levels over 700mg for the duration of the cycle from week 3+. Let me know what you think:

Week1
Sostanon 500mg+Dbol
Week2
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250+Dbol
Week3
Sostanon 500
Week4
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250
Week5
Sostanon 500
Week6
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250
Week7
Sostanon 500
Week8
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250
Week9
Sostanon 500
Week10
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250+Nolvadex
Week11-13
Clomid

 

[StoneColdNTO]

3 weeks? That makes sense Bushwacker, because Roid Calc shows that at 500mg/week for example test levels near their peak for the cycle at the third injection on week 3 which means 700+mg in your system at that time. So if 700mg is the magic number to shoot for, I can take Dbol in the beginning to make up for the below 500mg concentration in my body during week 1 and 2, right? I shouldn't need the Dbol after the third week from the looks of it either if that's the reason for taking the Dbol to begin with. Dbol is much faster acting than oil based injectables, correct? If I take the following, I should give the cycle a kick start and keep my test levels over 700mg for the duration of the cycle from week 3+. Let me know what you think:

Week1
Sostanon 500mg+Dbol
Week2
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250+Dbol
Week3
Sostanon 500
Week4
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250
Week5
Sostanon 500
Week6
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250
Week7
Sostanon 500
Week8
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250
Week9
Sostanon 500
Week10
Sostanon 250+Deca Durabolin 250+Nolvadex
Week11-13
Clomid

Remember what I said above about it being possibly the worst planned cycle I have seen.........well you just out did yourself.

Man are you ever stubborn.

Run Sust at 500mg/week for 10 weeks

 

[StoneColdNTO]

The taper at the end will bring you down gradually without a bang your done feeling-- you will also be feeling the sust well after your last injection depending on how long it stays in your system, your bfr and how much sust got into your fat cells-- I would say do not alternate but do a pyramid cycle like I posted above that way you climb up and down slowly insted of up and down every 10 days-- keep in touch and I hope that helped

The act of pyramiding has no valid basis. Introducing the androgen into the body at a lower concentration and then increasing the dose doesn’t allow the body to become "accustomed" to the exogenous compounds in any way.

Furthermore, tapering off only prolongs the time it'll take to regain HPTA functioning. Taking the lower dosages causes LH suppression yet barely provides any anabolic effect, perhaps none at all! So, if you’re a person who likes to get LH suppression with minimal gains, go ahead and "pyramid."

by Cy Willson

 

[fatchops]

Remember what I said above about it being possibly the worst planned cycle I have seen.........well you just out did yourself.

Man are you ever stubborn.

Run Sust at 500mg/week for 10 weeks

All we can do is lead them to the promise land, they don't always follow.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

All we can do is lead them to the promise land, they don't always follow.

LOL....yeah...but this guy has NO CLUE what he's doing.