New to the scene - First cycle, advice would be great

[keith_1986]

Fina/Tren

So this is going to be my first cycle and i know tren isn’t exactly what ppl recommend for a starting cycle, but its all i have available. Plus i just feel more comfortable knowing its coming from a good source rather than whatever the local guy at the gym sells me since im making it myself.

Anyway here's the stats

Age:24
Weight: 172
Height: 5'11
Ive been working out for about 5 years with one m-drol cycle.

6-8 Week Cycle
Tren - (75mg eod)
Cabaser - aka Dostinex (.25mg e3d)
HCG - (250iu e3d) for the first 5 weeks then (500iu e3d)

PCT
Forma Stanzol - 5-7 pumps twice a day until the bottle is gone

also

Starting 3 days after last Tren injection:
Weeks 1: Clomid 100mg/day
Weeks 2-4: Clomid 50mg/day
Weeks 1 : Nolva 40mg/day
Weeks 2-4: Nolva 20mg/day



There are a few things im still trying to work out so if everything doesnt exactly match up thats why. But i was hoping you guys could help me fill in the blanks or let me know if i missed anything.

Keith

 

[waceyf]

You missed test......

 

[GrowthMan]

Test is best

 

[keith_1986]

You missed test......

Nah, ive done a good bit of reading between the two and i think for what im looking for leaving the test out is a better option. I understand that the test will level you out a little better, but everything i read just makes it out like adding test is just going to bloat you and make you tired.

Also the bigger question would be where to even find it. Im kind of in a small town so unless it can be bought on the internet i doubt its going to happen.

Like i said im pretty new to all of this and still reading so if im way off base please feel free to chime in

I think the biggest thing with running tren stand alone, your will just get dry solid gains that ive read are a lot easier to keep after. I only plan to run one or two cycles so i dont want to just deflate once the rides over ya know

Keith

 

[barrysanders]

I don't agree. You need to add some form of Test. Do some research theres plenty of places to find good product.

 

[livebigdieyoung]

try test prop no bloat. or even try using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control the bloat with test e or c.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Scrap that idea NOW. First off, making Tren isn't that easy. Secondly, there are plenty of online suppliers that you will know about in a matter of weeks if you stick around and make friends. Third, if you run Tren in a first cycle all of the rest of your cycles won't live up to you're expectations.

For example, I ran Test/Tren my third cycle and my fourth cycle of Test/EQ (a bread and butter bulking cycle) was less effective then I would have liked.

 

[keith_1986]

Alright well ill keep reading about the test. Im still a ways off from my cycle. I want to get everything planned out first. But for now, test or no test, how does the rest of the cycle look? I want to keep my balls in shape the best i can and set myself up for a fast recovery at the end. Also with tren some have said anything over 6 weeks is pointless and some say 8 weeks is a short cycle. Which should i go with or will the extra 2 weeks even make a diff?

Keith

 

[TheMilkMan]

Nah, ive done a good bit of reading between the two and i think for what im looking for leaving the test out is a better option. I understand that the test will level you out a little better, but everything i read just makes it out like adding test is just going to bloat you and make you tired.

Also the bigger question would be where to even find it. Im kind of in a small town so unless it can be bought on the internet i doubt its going to happen.

Like i said im pretty new to all of this and still reading so if im way off base please feel free to chime in

I think the biggest thing with running tren stand alone, your will just get dry solid gains that ive read are a lot easier to keep after. I only plan to run one or two cycles so i dont want to just deflate once the rides over ya know

Keith

You are WAY off base. There are people here with years of experience in the anabolic game and the rule of thumb across the board is Test only as a first cycle and Test as a base in every other cycle. Be smart and listen to those who know better.

 

[keith_1986]

Scrap that idea NOW. First off, making Tren isn't that easy. Secondly, there are plenty of online suppliers that you will know about in a matter of weeks if you stick around and make friends. Third, if you run Tren in a first cycle all of the rest of your cycles won't live up to you're expectations.

For example, I ran Test/Tren my third cycle and my fourth cycle of Test/EQ (a bread and butter bulking cycle) was less effective then I would have liked.

Well ive looked into the process for making tren, and from my past its nothing that would be a problem for me. I was going to take the pellets and make pure tren ace using methy first then just use a kit dor the conversion.

But as far as what you are saying about others being less effective after tren, why is that? i mean i know its prob the strongest out there, so why would you not just do another cycle with tren rather than switching to something weaker? Sorry if there stupid questions but i def dont know enough yet to understand how diff steroids work with each other.

 

[TheMilkMan]

But for now, test or no test, how does the rest of the cycle look?

Looks incomplete.

I want to keep my balls in shape the best i can and set myself up for a fast recovery at the end.

Tren is known as one of the toughest drugs to recover from. Good luck recovering from Tren only.

Also with tren some have said anything over 6 weeks is pointless and some say 8 weeks is a short cycle. Which should i go with or will the extra 2 weeks even make a diff?

2 weeks will make a huge difference. 8 weeks of Tren isn't unreasonable for an experienced steroid user. For a first run with Tren, 6 weeks is plenty.

We need to address something else first. Why are you only 172lbs?

 

[bigcac13]

Lol no Test = Limp peeter

And who doesn't like Test lol we make it in our own bodies

 

[keith_1986]

You are WAY off base. There are people here with years of experience in the anabolic game and the rule of thumb across the board is Test only as a first cycle and Test as a base in every other cycle. Be smart and listen to those who know better.

Hey man im trying haha. There is so much info to weed through if you havent noticed. Im just pushing my foot in the door with the few weeks of reading ive done so far.

Most of my reading is strictly searches on running tren with test and running it standalone so i really dont know much about other types of roids.

Like i said my biggest issue was finding a product i could get my hands on and fina was all i could come up with. I dont want to do any orals because how hard they are on you liver like a pro horomone. and honestly most places that claim to sell roids i just find out to be a scam anyway after i research the company. So if you have another suggestion im open but from what i can find thats all I could come up with

 

[keith_1986]

Looks incomplete.



Tren is known as one of the toughest drugs to recover from. Good luck recovering from Tren only.



2 weeks will make a huge difference. 8 weeks of Tren isn't unreasonable for an experienced steroid user. For a first run with Tren, 6 weeks is plenty.

We need to address something else first. Why are you only 172lbs?

Lol why am i 172lbs... something i ask myself everyday. Honestly ive been stuck at around 150 for the past year or so. Im a hard gainer for sure. I can eat anything and everything and not gain a pound but miss a meal and ill drop 5.

If your looking more into what my routine looks like well i guess ill just go over the past 5 months and what i did to gain the 20+ pounds.

Started with Serious mass 1200 cal shakes a few months back, one in the morning and one at night. Plus my 4-5 meals a day. I try to eat every 3 hours but i work so thats not always possible.

I have a good mulit vitamin, and reg protein shake for fillers through the day

Also i have purple wraath for workouts with jacked 3d.

Then the biggest jump i made was from m-drol about a month and a half ago. i put on about 8 lbs.

I work out 3 times a week for about 2 hours. cant make it any more than that because of driving and work so i try to get it all done in those 6 hours a week basically

 

[MotorIHead]

Test is best

Thread jack sorry....

Is that u Biggin ?

 

[keith_1986]

lol that side boob pic is bad ass motor.

 

[MotorIHead]

lol that side boob pic is bad ass motor.

Thanks man !

 

[TheMilkMan]

I think you should stick around here for a while and make some friends. Look into a PL style training regime to pack on some serious mass and eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich along with 16oz of 2% milk in-between meals. If you do those 2 things, you will be 200lbs before you know it.

 

[waceyf]

What I dont understand is you can get clomid nolva and hcg, why not anything else???? I dont know of anyway to get those 3 without access to AAS

 

[keith_1986]

What I dont understand is you can get clomid nolva and hcg, why not anything else???? I dont know of anyway to get those 3 without access to AAS

Rui sells them and they dont have gear.