No Peeks In Bi's!!!

[truck]

Hey guys I've been able to develope 19 arms so far, mostly from hiting tri's good and they are still growing and feeling good. But my concern is that my bicepts aren't realy developing any peaks they seem to grow wider rather than peak. When I flex it always seems tight supper tight in the area where most people get peaks, is their a way to strech the facia tissue on the bicep, no synthol suggestions please. Is their a good routine to do. I usually hit a good curcut with hammer curls, reverse curs, and single arms curls on the preacher, I do heavy straight bar curls and ez bar curls too. OR is this just my genetics. My goal is 20+ by august.

 

[TPH76]

Hey guys I've been able to develope 19 arms so far, mostly from hiting tri's good and they are still growing and feeling good. But my concern is that my bicepts aren't realy developing any peaks they seem to grow wider rather than peak. When I flex it always seems tight supper tight in the area where most people get peaks, is their a way to strech the facia tissue on the bicep, no synthol suggestions please. Is their a good routine to do. I usually hit a good curcut with hammer curls, reverse curs, and single arms curls on the preacher, I do heavy straight bar curls and ez bar curls too. OR is this just my genetics. My goal is 20+ by august.

I had the same problem...I found it very helpful to, during a rep, hold the peak-contraction for a few (two or three) seconds while squeezing extra hard....I have been doing this for the last three weeks and have been seeing some more satisfying results than before.

maybe this will help you as well? Good luck

 

[blackbeard]

welcome to the world of genetics

IF you DONT have peak there is NO exercise in the entire WORLD that will give you peak..the only thing you can do is make your muscle bigger and stronger you cannot change the shape of it-sorry
me? i have no peak either

 

[TPH76]

welcome to the world of genetics

IF you DONT have peak there is NO exercise in the entire WORLD that will give you peak..the only thing you can do is make your muscle bigger and stronger you cannot change the shape of it-sorry
me? i have no peak either

Could be


But it seems I am hearing this often here. If something isn't developing well or at all then usually someone at some point or another blames genes. And I am not saying that this would not be the case in some induviduals but I am saying that it will not be the case in all induviduals.

Genes mostly set the range to which development is limited....it doesn't fix it to a permanent-this-is-it-take-it-or-leave-it-point.

Intelligence is limited to a certain range basically saying your intelligence willl fall between 80 and 110 depending on what you do with it.

Even eye-color is limited to a certain color...but heus can change. Blue can never become brown...but it can be changed to grey or very light/dark blue.
Some people are genetically predisposed to schozofrenia...doesn't mean they will become schizofrenics though....

And this largely depends on what you do to affect your development potential and how effective certain actions are.

Genetics can be overwritten by certain substances....as Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is naturally a perfect example.

 

[blackbeard]

Could be


But it seems I am hearing this often here. If something isn't developing well or at all then usually someone at some point or another blames genes. And I am not saying that this would not be the case in some induviduals but I am saying that it will not be the case in all induviduals.



Genetics can be overwritten by certain substances....as Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is naturally a perfect example.

AAS will only create size/strength it will not change the shape..there are pro bodybuilders that do not have the pek of Ronnie Coleman...why? drugs? i doubt it genetics? you betcha..look at ronnies arms before he supposedly starting using gear heavily...he had and still has insane peak..

Truck is not limited by his genes my friend he was able to get his amrs to 19" assuming a normal level of bodyfat thats quite bigger than the average gymrat..he may even be able to get those arm to stay at 19 and drop below 8% BF still way better than avg-so his genes are not limiting him!!!!

take a female with very narrow hips she can do all the deads and squats in the world but she will never be able to develop an azz like J-LO..and if spot reduction were possible and J-LO wanted to downsize she would still have wide hips-Genetics

 

[TPH76]

AAS will only create size/strength it will not change the shape..there are pro bodybuilders that do not have the pek of Ronnie Coleman...why? drugs? i doubt it genetics? you betcha..look at ronnies arms before he supposedly starting using gear heavily...he had and still has insane peak..

Precisely.. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) does overwrite genetics...as max muscle size is limited in range by genetics. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) overwrites the maximum and thus enables the body builder to add more mass.

The comment I made was to ilustrate an example of how genetics can be overwritten by certain substances....not a solution to the problem at hand.

Taking the example of Ronnie Coleman for example...he had big ass arms...he obvioulsy had the genetic potential.

Citizen X has puny arms...does this mean he has poor genetic potential?
....You can not say...he may have become ill (polio??) in his childhood, he may have been eating like shit...or whatever.

Genetics is a combination of many many factors, again influenced by many many factors.

Truck is not limited by his genes my friend he was able to get his amrs to 19" assuming a normal level of bodyfat thats quite bigger than the average gymrat..he may even be able to get those arm to stay at 19 and drop below 8% BF still way better than avg-so his genes are not limiting him!!!!

I am confused...So if Truck is not limited by his genes then why did you say he was?

take a female with very narrow hips she can do all the deads and squats in the world but she will never be able to develop an azz like J-LO..and if spot reduction were possible and J-LO wanted to downsize she would still have wide hips-Genetics

Genetics set the range in which a person can develop. For example...genes basically say: you can grow to between 1.58 meters and 1.85 meters. What hight you reach precisely depends on what you do...if you eat poor then you probably will not reach your full potential.

Genetics make us develop differently...that is absolutely not something I contested. I contested the claim that you can accurately tell if his genes are limiting him.

Genetics is influenced by many, many factors....some which are sensible and some which are not. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is one such example, radiation an other....but certain trace ellements such as iron can influence hair color...B-carrotene can influence skin tone... etc. etc.

You say a narrow hipped woman can not develop an ass like J-LO by squatting...but, to use a very very strange example...she can alter her hip structure (and thus shape) by battering it regularly with an iron stick (which will make the bones grow thicker...). That is NOT sensible...but it will alter the shape of her butt....which is basically overwriting genetics. Its absurd...I agree...butr its merely to show thta genetics are not everything...they are not fixed permanently and can be altered to extend or reduce their range of potential.

 

[blackbeard]

i havent a clue what the fuck you are trying to say lol
trucks arms are abel to get "bigger" he CANNOT build peak-sorry truck your stuck with the arms god gave you the only thing that can be done is to make them bigger/stronger

peak has to do with the length of the bicep as well as where it inserts at the elbow etc...drugs cannot change this..

i doubt your battering theory

 

[Bast]

Its genes, blackbeard is right.

But, how high is youre Bf% ? If its high that might be one of the problems.

 

[HowardRearden]

Losing some BF does help. A peak looks more like a plateau when it's surrounded by fat.

 

[mister69]

want bigger arms..squat dead and eat steak

 

[inked1]

want bigger arms..squat dead and eat steak

hahaha
nice avatar

 

[Who is Mike Jones?]

i havent a clue what the fuck you are trying to say lol
trucks arms are abel to get "bigger" he CANNOT build peak-sorry truck your stuck with the arms god gave you the only thing that can be done is to make them bigger/stronger

peak has to do with the length of the bicep as well as where it inserts at the elbow etc...drugs cannot change this..

i doubt your battering theory

Do you know if BB shows grade on whether or not you have a peak?

 

[TPH76]

i havent a clue what the fuck you are trying to say lol
trucks arms are abel to get "bigger" he CANNOT build peak-sorry truck your stuck with the arms god gave you the only thing that can be done is to make them bigger/stronger

peak has to do with the length of the bicep as well as where it inserts at the elbow etc...drugs cannot change this..

i doubt your battering theory

Haha...yes...its hard to debate something in another language. Maybe I am having trouble translating what I want to say.

My point is that your approach to genetics is to basic.

Maybe you could find an explanation for what I am saying in answering the following question: "why do peaks occur in biceps?"

And then consider the following question:

My arms are 16 inches (which is not bad IMO) untill two weeks ago I did NOT develop any peaks in the last three years of training. Why?


And then take your answer and consider the follwing additional information:


I have chaged my focus on my exercises and now I AM developing peaks.
Why?


As you see ... you can not definately answer either question without additional (or all of the) information. And that was the point I was trying to make in my origial post. You are blaming genetics on very little info...which would probably make most doctors very, very jealous

Genes are to complicated, to influencable to "blame" them without the benefit of extensive information. Development depends on many, many, factors and human genome mapping still isn't completely researched. I doubt that anyone can conclusively say what is "nature" and what is "nurture".


And for the battering part:

bone thickens on "threatened area's". Its a natural defence mechanism of the human body.

Example: Have you seen the Jean Claude van Damme movie; "kickboxer?" He is continuously kicking a palm tree, or something, with his shins. He is doing that to thicken:
1) his skin layer
2) his shin bones

Boxers will usually have thicker skull bones as a reaction to getting hit.

 

[Behemoth]

Like BB said, muscle shape is determined by genetics. You can't change that. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) does not 'overwrite' your genes, it just allows certain genes that you already have to be expressed. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) will not change your muscle shape - why do you think you see so many threads with guys complaining about their "inner chest"?

 

[blackbeard]

Losing some BF does help. A peak looks more like a plateau when it's surrounded by fat.

that is a different debate...
but still getting shredded will not change your muscle shape..

I am not lean by any stretch of the imagination..although you cannot see my separations they are there..if i were to drop BF and get shredded (lol) you would see more definition but i HAVE not changed my muscle shape..

the only other way i can think of to illustrate this would be for smeone to PM needsize and ask if he would post photos..hes got great arms in fact ive seen a pic of him before he started using gear and you can see his arm/bicep "shape" hasnt chnaged its just gotten bigger

 

[jcp2]

If you are walking down the beach with a 20 inch arm a and a 35 inch waist (meaning you are not a fat bastard) no chick is going to say "that guys i cute and jacked, but i can't talk to him, i mean he has no peak on his bi" Unless you are competing and are jacked to the gills already, who gives a fuck weather your bi peaks. If you worried about increasing your squat and deadlift by 100lbs i guarantee you wiill be much better off than worrying about your bi peak. This is not aimed at you directly, just a statement.

 

[truck]

Thanks guys I appreciate all the help. I guess I'll just have big round arms instead of the peak, by no means am I fat, I'm 270 with 12-15%bf (My abs still show and I don't cary any fat on my ass or legs just some on my upper body) just a guys Last time I got my BF checked is when I wrestled and it was when I was under 200lbs and I had 5%bf. I don't have weight oriented goals to increase it is that I want to become bigger, faster and stonger as I can be, so that means doing everthing. The real reason I want the peak is so when I get my sacks during season I throw up my traditional double bi pose everyone is in awe of my size and power, vanity I Know, but hey something has got to be just for the fun of it.

 

[iron addict]

If you are walking down the beach with a 20 inch arm a and a 35 inch waist (meaning you are not a fat bastard) no chick is going to say "that guys i cute and jacked, but i can't talk to him, i mean he has no peak on his bi" Unless you are competing and are jacked to the gills already, who gives a fuck weather your bi peaks. If you worried about increasing your squat and deadlift by 100lbs i guarantee you wiill be much better off than worrying about your bi peak. This is not aimed at you directly, just a statement.

Amen,

And no, there isn't much you can do to change the actual shape of a muscle. You can make it APPEAR different by devoping different aspects such as more outer bicep growth relative to inner head, but all you nare doing is creating an illusion. The muscle will grow to its predetermined gentic shape.

IA

 

[needsize]

that is a different debate...
but still getting shredded will not change your muscle shape..

I am not lean by any stretch of the imagination..although you cannot see my separations they are there..if i were to drop BF and get shredded (lol) you would see more definition but i HAVE not changed my muscle shape..

the only other way i can think of to illustrate this would be for smeone to PM needsize and ask if he would post photos..hes got great arms in fact ive seen a pic of him before he started using gear and you can see his arm/bicep "shape" hasnt chnaged its just gotten bigger

thanks, and that is very true, my arms look exactly the same as they did prior to juice, just a few inches bigger, the shape of none of my muscles have changed over the years, and I have tried every approach to training

 

[TPH76]

Like BB said, muscle shape is determined by genetics. You can't change that. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) does not 'overwrite' your genes, it just allows certain genes that you already have to be expressed. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) will not change your muscle shape - why do you think you see so many threads with guys complaining about their "inner chest"?

And how do you know that he can not have peaks because his genes say he can't? Do you know how his genome map looks like and if he has reached his absolute development yet? Maybe his genes simply say: you can not develop peaks untill you have met prerequisite a or b...or when criteria X is met...

Everybody has active genes and non active genes...activating non active genes is altering your genetic potential. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) thus overwrites genetics.

My point has always been threefold:
1) You can not say its genes without knowing all the facts. It may very well be...but what do you base your assessment on? Your info is limited....and the problem with genes is...they indicated potential, but nowhere does it specify what this potential is limited to. Humans do not come with a manual specifying the exact specs of their genome map. As long as he has not tried al available options you can not say its genes...

2) Saying something is genetic after one post is a bit easy...its like saying (again...without knowing all of the facts) "don't bother trying it"

3) Genes are not everything...certain substances can alter your genetic potential and thus the ultimate change in development.

I never said Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) changes muscle shape...yet...but coming up. I said Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) overwrites genes i.e. it overwrites the maximum size your muscles can grow without them. (Although it is also discussing agains physics to say that altering the size of a two point fixed bundle of fibres does not alter its shape...as it is arguing that in a budle of fibres the amount of tension (and thus damage, and thus groth) would be exactly the same in each fibre....and varying size per fibre would alter the shape of the bundle....as is the end goal of BB...altering your body shape...)

Complaining about inner chest does not mean that genes are to blame
Who knows...unless we have all the facts...we would do much better to say: "It might be genes....but have you tried to do this or that?"


Btw... I am not attacking you personally or anything

Because of the language barrier and the inexperience with the subtilities of English I have some trouble assessing how some of my translations will be percieved as to tone.... So just in case a little disclaimer