Old time bodybuilders

[Powerhouse9]

Any one know why some of the old time bodybuilders like Bill Pearl, had such great physiques on such modest amounts of gear. It couldn't be just genetics could it? If they did only get away with taking 2 tabs of dbol a day, how long did they stay on for? All year? Does anybody think you would stop making gains after a while on dbol? I mean it is still supressing cortisol regardless of the steroid receptors being tapped out.

 

[ironmaster]

I guess I'm the old-timer here, so I'll answer you. Yes those guys had great genetics, and yes, they trained hard, but there where some pretty damn good steroids available too. I first tried dianabol 30 years ago......everyone used the blue Ciba's. This was one fine product.....made in the US to pharmaceutical standards. No comparison with the dbol offered today can even be made. I recently took 100mgs a day of the mex stuff. Wasn't as effective as 30-35mg of the Ciba.

What are great genetics? Look at Steve Reeves from the pre-steroid old school.

 

[Victorian guy]

Any one know why some of the old time bodybuilders like Bill Pearl, had such great physiques on such modest amounts of gear. It couldn't be just genetics could it? If they did only get away with taking 2 tabs of dbol a day, how long did they stay on for? All year? Does anybody think you would stop making gains after a while on dbol? I mean it is still supressing cortisol regardless of the steroid receptors being tapped out.

IMO
Good genetics...but I think they tend to lie about the amount of gear they were on, to make them feel superior to today's bbders.
10mg dbol a day?- bullshit.

They were probably doing handfuls. If Arnold was doing shitloads of dbol, then he probably had learned that from guys like Pearl. 2 tabs a day? I simply refuse to believe it.
Watch- in 10 yrs, I bet some of today's stars will be saying they used such and such a dose, and people will say 'how could ronnie have gotten so huge on such a small amount of gear?'

 

[liftsiron]

Any one know why some of the old time bodybuilders like Bill Pearl, had such great physiques on such modest amounts of gear. It couldn't be just genetics could it? If they did only get away with taking 2 tabs of dbol a day, how long did they stay on for? All year? Does anybody think you would stop making gains after a while on dbol? I mean it is still supressing cortisol regardless of the steroid receptors being tapped out.

Androgen receptors don't tap out by the way, and as Ironmaster stated the Ciba d-bol was in a class all of it's own, it has never been duplicated.

 

[Gtrack]

How would you expect to have the same reaction to the same substance 30 years later ? Are you the same as then or are your receptors as receptive as then ?

5mg are 5mg no matter who makes it.

The old guys were taking pills by the bucket.If we do know today what drugs can do to one's body (positive and negative-especially negative) it's because of the idiotic things these people did to theirs.No thought whatsoever about side effects and more is better mentality.

genetics is no factor.The same genetics exist today and even better.Larry scott,Columbu,Corney etc are long from genetically blessed.
The only genetic freak was Sergio.

 

[DUANABOL]

genetics is no factor.The same genetics exist today and even better.Larry scott,Columbu,Corney etc are long from genetically blessed.
The only genetic freak was Sergio.

What about old Arnold. I'd say that he had some very good genetics!

 

[Spartie]

Old School Myself...

I agree...the little Blue Ciba's were much more potent, and IMO better assimilated. I believe that handfulls of tabs a day were probably the truth, vs. just 2 a day for him.
Remember all the other things we did to get huge in the 1980's?....like: Liver tablets, baby food, deca/dbol round the clock, only two routines: pyramids and 4 sets of 8, striving to achieve Lee Haney's back/lat spread, and my all-time favorite: your trusted local source would walk into your gym with a duffel bag full of gear for sale and no laws to give you time in the joint!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DUANABOL]

Re: Old School Myself...

I agree...the little Blue Ciba's were much more potent, and IMO better assimilated. I believe that handfulls of tabs a day were probably the truth, vs. just 2 a day for him.
Remember all the other things we did to get huge in the 1980's?....like: Liver tablets, baby food, deca/dbol round the clock, only two routines: pyramids and 4 sets of 8, striving to achieve Lee Haney's back/lat spread, and my all-time favorite: your trusted local source would walk into your gym with a duffel bag full of gear for sale and no laws to give you time in the joint!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those were the days my friend! We would freely be able to discuss juice with everyone in the gym along with the owner. Hell, we would sit down on a bench in the gym and check out a suppliers gear by actually holding the bottles and vials in our hands right out in the open. No worry to hide anything. I remember when I received my first injection in the back room at the gym by one of the local suppliers. Another thing worth mentioning about the old times was the fact that you could go to a doctor and get a prescription to build muscle. My doctor prescribed Deca, Winstrol, and Anavar for me. I was able to take the prescription to the pharmacy (US pharmacy) and get pharmaceutical grade steroids along with syringes. My doctor didn't like Test for some reason and wouldn't prescribe it to me, so I just went elsewhere for that when needed. Now, I'd have to say that times have changed dramatically...too bad!

 

[Spartie]

Right on Josey!!!!!!! My first cycle was started at the home of our local gym's owner. He was also our main source. It was like a F@$%&*! Tupperware party...bunch of guys in his apartment passing around vials and bottles, discussing pros and cons of each type, how to inject, etc. (getting all teary-eyed now....LMFAO).

 

[crazymike]

Damn...Why oh why, couldn't I have been born just 20 years earlier!!:lol:

That must have been the shit! To be able to do this stuff with out any reprocutions from the law! That must have been awesome! I love talking to the 'old-timers' about the 'good ol' days'!!

 

[Powerhouse9]

When do you think that GH started getting used? Obviously Arnold didn't use it, would you say it started in the mid 80's?

 

[Gtrack]

Haney was the first big time user of GH.Yates was the first big time user of both gh and insulin.Coleman is the first big time user of both GH and insulin along with IGF.
Hence the 3 achieved great differences from their predecessors.It's like 3 different eras of bodybuilding.

Arnold had great genetics,yes.But if Sergio was from another country and not dark skinned nobody today would know of Arnold the way we do.

 

[Spartie]

Lee HGHaney

I agree...Lee was the most prominent "guinnea pig" for HGH back then. HGH was being used by the extreme fringe on the west coast (USA) in the mid-1980's. It had a bad rap then...we were afraid of looking like Neanderthals or Cromags (enlarged, protruding forhead w/ elongated limbs and large hands). That was the take on it at the time, even if you did HGH several times. It was also very hard to find and VERY expensive back then.

 

[ironmaster]

Genentech obtained the first FDA approval for synthetic rhGH in 1979. It wasn't very long thereafter that GH was available on the blackmarket.

Josey, the owner of the gym I went to in the 70's sold his own protein powder......key ingredient was anadrol.

Gtrack, study up on AR receptors.

 

[liftsiron]

How would you expect to have the same reaction to the same substance 30 years later ? Are you the same as then or are your receptors as receptive as then ?

5mg are 5mg no matter who makes it.

The old guys were taking pills by the bucket.If we do know today what drugs can do to one's body (positive and negative-especially negative) it's because of the idiotic things these people did to theirs.No thought whatsoever about side effects and more is better mentality.

genetics is no factor.The same genetics exist today and even better.Larry scott,Columbu,Corney etc are long from genetically blessed.
The only genetic freak was Sergio.

What do you base your assumptions, not facts that's for certain. BTW two years ago I got my hands on three bottles of fifteen year old ciba d-bol and the results in strength were similiar to those that I experienced twenty years ago.

 

[DUANABOL]

You can't beat that old powerful Ciba D-bol. I don't know what it was but it had something very special going for it!

liftsiron, you got a hold of some old Ciba D-bol and used it in a cycle and still had favorable results?......eventhough it was expired like 15 years. That pretty much closes this thread with actual proof from a trusted bro.

 

[stonecold54]

maybe ciba -dbol was really anadrol.

 

[JohnnyB]

Sergio the Myth is my favorite

JohnnyB