Opinions on stacking/cycling the following

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sixty9lies

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I'm 20 Years old, 165 and in pretty good shape. Been lifting on and off for around 5 years. This will be my first official "stack."
I've done plenty of research pertaining to this subject, but nothing that hits the nail on the head for the supplements i have.
I have anadrol 50mg, winstrol 50mg, sustanol 250ml, Pregnyl (5000 pcu's i guess it's called), Clomid 50 mg, and Novadex 10mg.
Does anyone advanced enough have any good suggestions as to how i should take this? I have a mass stack sheet with info that suggests i take the anadrol and winstrol at the same time, but i'm pretty sure that'll be a little too rough on my liver. I'm wanting to use the winstrol near the end of the cycle to dry up the water weight from the anadrol. Any help/tips on a good cyle would be appreciated.
 
this x1000, some of those compounds are not for you for a first time out either, if you dont know how to use em, dont. you can add another 25lbs easy with food, being the most anabolic thing you could use right now
 
Yeah, i heard using anadrol on another forum as a first cycle is a bad idea. So what do you suggest? skip the anadrol and just use the sustanon and winnie? i reallllly wanna bulk up and winstrol isn't a very good bulking agent.
 
Well let me tell you what ALL the advice your gonna get from these guys/gals that know about this more than me.

1. your too young
2. Check your diet (See diet forum)
3. Lift more

I am not trying to be a jerk but that is what your going to hear bro. But your gonna do what your gonna do, Im 36 and did months of research and reading and thought I was ready for AS but still made mistakes. Just be careful, we are not here so you can end up hurting yourself.
 
I'm 5'9. And I'm going to cycle no matter what, so if any of you feel negative about this, you can help me do it safely, or i'll just follow the mass stack and most likely put way too much strain on my body.
 
You come here for help and then say something stupid like that? Dude, go ahead and flush your money down the toilet then. It's obvious your diet is not in check or you'd weigh more than you do at 5'9". AAS doesn't work without the proper diet so if you are ok flushing your money away, then why should I care. First cycle should be Test only, get your Sust and run it at 500mg EW pinning EOD to get the best out of your short esters. Run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Aromasin at 12.5mg ED and adjust as necessary and keep Letrozole on hand as a backup in case you need it. For post cycle therapy (pct) run clomid at 50mg ED for 3-4 weeks and start it about 18 days after your last Test inject. You need to hold off on all of the other stuff you got but because you aren't listening anyway, I imagine you will still run them anyway. I'm not giving you anymore help than to run Test only. Still think you are ready for a cycle? Because your diet is not down, any weight you probably gain will be water and will disappear after you finish your cycle and you'll still be 165lbs. If you don't want to listen to people "who know and have done this before", I don't know what to tell you. Best of luck.
 
Hey tell ya what since you know it all and we are so dumb then obviously you should just do what your gunna do. You were told that your way to young and way to inexperienced, havent even hit your natural genetic peak, and you have no clue what most these roids are going to do to you. But hey I say go bananas and use it all, heck try taking it all the first day, man oh man you'll get so big so fast.

Theres a reason why people are telling you not to do it and even if your "GUNNA" do it anyway, stick to ONE thing and make that ONE thing, test. You will gain alot off that and you can see how your body reacts to it. But hey thats only the voice of reason speaking to you, but if you want to hurt yourself there are quicker ways I have a 45 you can borrow.
 
and let's just say i go with test only for my first cycle, is sustanon 250 a good one to go with? Considering it's the only kind I have i'm going to use it, and i was thinking 500mg (2 shots) a week?
 
If you want to maximize the short esters and do it right, then pin Sust EOD. If you want to pin twice weekly, get enanthate or cypionate. Again, you really aren't listening to any of our advice anyway so I imagine you'll just pin Sust 2x weekly anyway. Dude, a lot of us have been doing this longer than you've been alive and you just want to ignore all of the knowledge being bestowed upon you and do what you want. I'm not sure why you came here in the first place if you won't listen to what we are telling you.
 
Alright, shit, lol I'm just making sure you guys aren't going with the safe route on me vs getting the best results. If all I should be taking is test for my first cycle then so be it. Test is what i'll go with. I don't have aromasin, but will nolvadex work the same? And would the pregnyl only be used if i was using the winnie and anadrol? It's true I have a lot to learn, so for the time being, i'm gonna stfu and listen to you guys vs friends since you seem to know what your talking about. And as for the diet, I'm going to make sure i'm on a strict anabolic diet pre-cycle
 
Italiano SPO said:
If you want to maximize the short esters and do it right, then pin Sust EOD. If you want to pin twice weekly, get enanthate or cypionate. Again, you really aren't listening to any of our advice anyway so I imagine you'll just pin Sust 2x weekly anyway. Dude, a lot of us have been doing this longer than you've been alive and you just want to ignore all of the knowledge being bestowed upon you and do what you want. I'm not sure why you came here in the first place if you won't listen to what we are telling you.
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I don't mind pinning it EOD, m/w/f sound about right? And i have 16 250mg ampoules of it so should i use them all and ignore the 10000pcu's of pregnyl i have for post cycle therapy (pct)? and just use the clomid as directed above?
 
sixty9lies said:
Alright, shit, lol I'm just making sure you guys aren't going with the safe route on me vs getting the best results. If all I should be taking is test for my first cycle then so be it. Test is what i'll go with. I don't have aromasin, but will nolvadex work the same? And would the pregnyl only be used if i was using the winnie and anadrol? It's true I have a lot to learn, so for the time being, i'm gonna stfu and listen to you guys vs friends since you seem to know what your talking about. And as for the diet, I'm going to make sure i'm on a strict anabolic diet pre-cycle
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Nolvadex vs Aromasin is like comparing apples to oranges. You can't shortcut your way through this dude. Pregnyl is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and you can use it regardless but if you are going to just use Test, save the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for helping recover off a heavier cycle later before you start your post cycle therapy (pct). I would be making sure my diet was in order prior to starting AAS. You can hit your own genetic peak without using AAS and if you aren't eating enough, I don't care who you are, you won't gain, with or without AAS. Get Aromasin and have Letrozole on hand as a backup. You will learn in this game that there is no substitute for "PREVENTION". If you don't have "ALL" of your ancillaries prior to starting a cycle, you are just asking for trouble. Be proactive and not reactive and you'll never have any trouble you can't handle.
 
sixty9lies said:
I don't mind pinning it EOD, m/w/f sound about right? And i have 16 250mg ampoules of it so should i use them all and ignore the 10000pcu's of pregnyl i have for post cycle therapy (pct)? and just use the clomid as directed above?
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m/w/f is not EOD because you have a two day gap on the weekend. EOD is exactly EOD.
 
I would not use the pregnyl on this cycle save itget yourself some aromasin its like gold and it will take care of most symtoms easily. If your good with pinning eod then m/w/f would be beter but its not eod you will have to do m/w/f/sun/t/thur/sat etc etc. See now we are getting somewhere sounds like you have some inexperienced friends that are trying to get ya to go overboard. Trust me when I tell you test alone will be a killer first cycle and you will gain alot of strength and mass. Check out the diet forum get your diet in check and then smile as the pounds pack on buddy.
 
Appreciate the help guys. I'll do some research on aromasin and letrozole. Is it easy to obtain? And would it be too much to incorporate the winnie in this cycle, or should i wait? I've heard winnie is nowhere near as bad as a-bombs
 
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