Micro, I am still trying to find something about it, You are talking about RSOC i suppose, and from what i have heard he altered it. Some have said it is not 17aa, which would mean it isn't even close to turanibol i would think. Now if that is not true, than i would like to know, but no one seems to be able to give me any info. I beleieve a certain chinese guy makes it also, not sure if he still does, but he certainly did.