PCT for coming off of 4 year cycle

[Mycelium]

That there is just another reference for testosterone, aromatase, aromatization, estrogen as well as another reference for the creation and use of estrogen in testicles.

 

[Mycelium]

My elevated liver enzymes increase estrogen production due to increased aromatase which = increased aromatozation which led to low T. Higher estrogen levels shuts down testosterone production. It's a negative feed back loop.

Again the only way for elevated E with low T is elevated aromatozation.

 

[Mycelium]

Also why my AI dosage is almost double some others. More AI combats increased aromatase which combats my tendancy to have elevated estrogen levels.

 

[Sharkweek]

Just another quick update, I upped my nolva dose from 20mg to 40mg on Monday. Unsure if it's just the longer duration of being on them, or the increased dose, but I have felt better as this week has progressed. I'm now on day 41 of my pct, and day 50 since pinning any test.

Feels like test/estrogen levels are starting to come up some. Planning to continue the SERMS for atleast another 4 weeks. Likely start lowering the doses in the next couple weeks.

 

[IMT staff]

Cool man did you ever up the dosage of HCG? Did you like it?

I have been away so need to catch up on the thread

 

[Sharkweek]

Cool man did you ever up the dosage of HCG? Did you like it?

I have been away so need to catch up on the thread

I did for a short time, at 1500 iu e3d. then I had an issue getting my other 10 000iu of hcg. I knew it would be a couple weeks before I got more, so I started the Clomid and Nolva. I now have my other 10,000iu and began that today while continuing some low dose serms.

Currently doing 1000iu e3d, and 25mg of Nolva. I know that is not always recommended, but it seems like a good bet for fertility reasons to keep some fsh going while running the hcg.

Had some pretty low test levels for the first couple weeks on clomid/nolva, but they really feel like they have came up in the past week. Waiting to get a semen analysis done until roughly 90 days after starting the clomid/nolva due to the time it takes to make mature sperm (75 days) and the cost of the analysis.

 

[Argon Coagulator]

The epidemic of kids confused about their sex or gender is a result of endocrine distrupting chemicals in our diets and environment. Glyphosate is a key one, but there are many others. We will eventually see class action lawsuits similar to asbestos and tobacco for the chemical and food companies that peddle this shit. The Bayer purchase of Monsanto will go down as one of the worst acquisitions in the history of the plant.

OP, you've been told repeatedly that you need more time and what I've seen is you've interrpreted that to mean a couple weeks more. The reality might be that you need to be on 1,500 IU HCG E3D for three months, six months, nine months, etc. Whatever it takes.

Very interesting theory! Apparently there have always been ppl like that such as Bruce Jenner, that are coming out now because it's so accepted. Not sure if the % is higher now or if in the past people would repress those feelings.

 

[Argon Coagulator]

I did for a short time, at 1500 iu e3d. then I had an issue getting my other 10 000iu of hcg. I knew it would be a couple weeks before I got more, so I started the Clomid and Nolva. I now have my other 10,000iu and began that today while continuing some low dose serms.

Currently doing 1000iu e3d, and 25mg of Nolva. I know that is not always recommended, but it seems like a good bet for fertility reasons to keep some fsh going while running the hcg.

Had some pretty low test levels for the first couple weeks on clomid/nolva, but they really feel like they have came up in the past week. Waiting to get a semen analysis done until roughly 90 days after starting the clomid/nolva due to the time it takes to make mature sperm (75 days) and the cost of the analysis.

Let's see how your test levels and semen anaylsis check out after PCT. Hopefully you can fare well remaining natural, if not you may need longer term HCG therapy for fertility and possibly TRT for normal testosterone levels.

 

[Sharkweek]

Let's see how your test levels and semen anaylsis check out after PCT. Hopefully you can fare well remaining natural, if not you may need longer term HCG therapy for fertility and possibly TRT for normal testosterone levels.

I know that those are definitely a possibility; it seems like most men seem to respond well to clomid monotherapy as far as fertility goes, even if their test levels are garbage. If that's the situation I end up in, then I would likely just go on TRT like 3-4 months post conception.

Hoping for the best, trying to plan for the worst.

 

[casanovaaa]

What is the advantage of running the hcg longer if the testes are producing testosterone? My understanding of the purpose of hcg is that its main advantage is that it will quickly produce a strong lh signal in order to get the testes up and running. Once they are running you want to get the upper end of the hpta running and producing it's own lh/fsh with the use of serms. Once that is going the goal is to then get them be back to auto-regulating themselves without exogenous substances.

If I am wrong, please correct me; i genuinely want to know more about the process. Do you just feel that they will not be making testosterone after 2-3 weeks? I assume the bloodwork at 2 weeks would confirm whether they are working or not?

Thanks.

nice, what did the labs show?

 

[Eugenecrync]

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[Argon Coagulator]

I know that those are definitely a possibility; it seems like most men seem to respond well to clomid monotherapy as far as fertility goes, even if their test levels are garbage. If that's the situation I end up in, then I would likely just go on TRT like 3-4 months post conception.

Hoping for the best, trying to plan for the worst.

Well hey if you haven't wanted to kill yourself by now you might be ok! Lol. The longest I've lasted being off is 3-4 weeks on the last 2 years. Not good, I know...

 

[Sharkweek]

nice, what did the labs show?

the labs during hcg showed I was making some Test, and the labs after 11 days of clomid/nolva showed lh and fsh levels coming up.

Well hey if you haven't wanted to kill yourself by now you might be ok! Lol. The longest I've lasted being off is 3-4 weeks on the last 2 years. Not good, I know...

Still going for now anyway, it's been roughly 9 weeks since I last pinned.

On my 5th week of clomid and nolva. Started tapering them off this week. Planning to fi ish the taper at week 8.

Ran 50/20, 50,20, 50/40, 50/40, 25/20. Going to go 25/20, 20, 20 for the last three weeks.

Gonna wait 8-12 weeks after that and get bloodwork. Re-evaluate at that point.

As for fertility, I'm assuming sperm production started when my fsh levels got into the normal range, which was about 3 weeks ago. So, I'm hoping I should have some decent swimmers in another 6-8 weeks. Planning to get a semen analysis done at that point.

 

[Argon Coagulator]

the labs during hcg showed I was making some Test, and the labs after 11 days of clomid/nolva showed lh and fsh levels coming up.



Still going for now anyway, it's been roughly 9 weeks since I last pinned.

On my 5th week of clomid and nolva. Started tapering them off this week. Planning to fi ish the taper at week 8.

Ran 50/20, 50,20, 50/40, 50/40, 25/20. Going to go 25/20, 20, 20 for the last three weeks.

Gonna wait 8-12 weeks after that and get bloodwork. Re-evaluate at that point.

As for fertility, I'm assuming sperm production started when my fsh levels got into the normal range, which was about 3 weeks ago. So, I'm hoping I should have some decent swimmers in another 6-8 weeks. Planning to get a semen analysis done at that point.

Sounds like a reasonable time frame - although u may already be producing a decent amount I was at 19 mil good swimmers after being on 2 years and I was still on test and bold during the test.

 

[Sharkweek]

Sounds like a reasonable time frame - although u may already be producing a decent amount I was at 19 mil good swimmers after being on 2 years and I was still on test and bold during the test.

I know everyone is different, but that's re-assuring to hear.

I've read that it takes roughly 75 days for sperm to mature, so I'm just trying to be conservative with the timeframe. There arent a ton of places to get it done near me, and I was seeing prices of $500+, so I dont want to get more tests than I need to.

 

[Argon Coagulator]

I know everyone is different, but that's re-assuring to hear.

I've read that it takes roughly 75 days for sperm to mature, so I'm just trying to be conservative with the timeframe. There arent a ton of places to get it done near me, and I was seeing prices of $500+, so I dont want to get more tests than I need to.

Damn mine was $75, lol but I also live a major city with a prominent medical presence. I also used HCG off and on and I did blast 500iu EOD for a couple months leading up to the analysis, though had been off HCG for at least a month during the test- which was fun btw, great porn DVDs better than pornhub. I partially credit the "big booty hoes 3" for my potent sample, LOL..

 

[Sharkweek]

Another strange issue is popping up, I've never had any gyno issues, but it feels like I am getting some right now. Only on the right side.

Is this even possible while taking tamoxifen and clomid for pct? I cant imagine why my estrogen levels would be elevated, but I took some asin today just in case.

Any ideas?

 

[DVSxFit]

Another strange issue is popping up, I've never had any gyno issues, but it feels like I am getting some right now. Only on the right side.

Is this even possible while taking tamoxifen and clomid for pct? I cant imagine why my estrogen levels would be elevated, but I took some asin today just in case.

Any ideas?

Hey Shark week, don't have an answer for this but I have read this entire thread.

I cruised Osterine SARMs for almost two years, off and on, half ass PCT regimen, and no HCG.
A month and a half ago I did my hardest cycle, anavar and winny orals. Up to about 150mg each. My PCT was two weeks nolva and osterine sarm for six weeks. I stopped the day before bloods. My bloods show my test around 100 ng. I'm almost forty lol

My question, if you could redo your restart with an HCG dosage higher than the 1000 blast, would you? What would u do differently to it, if you could?

Thanks for your time and crossing my fingers for u

 

[Sharkweek]

Hey Shark week, don't have an answer for this but I have read this entire thread.

I cruised Osterine SARMs for almost two years, off and on, half ass PCT regimen, and no HCG.
A month and a half ago I did my hardest cycle, anavar and winny orals. Up to about 150mg each. My PCT was two weeks nolva and osterine sarm for six weeks. I stopped the day before bloods. My bloods show my test around 100 ng. I'm almost forty lol

My question, if you could redo your restart with an HCG dosage higher than the 1000 blast, would you? What would u do differently to it, if you could?

Thanks for your time and crossing my fingers for u

If I were to do this all over from day 1. I would run the hcg at 1500iu every 3 days, and I would have had more of it on hand. I used 15,000iu, and I would have liked to have twice that amount.

In all honesty, getting it with a script, from somewhere like IMT would be ideal. It will be more expensive, but if you need more they just send another script to the pharmacy, and you arent relying on the dude from the gym to get you your hcg.

 

[DVSxFit]

If I were to do this all over from day 1. I would run the hcg at 1500iu every 3 days, and I would have had more of it on hand. I used 15,000iu, and I would have liked to have twice that amount.

In all honesty, getting it with a script, from somewhere like IMT would be ideal. It will be more expensive, but if you need more they just send another script to the pharmacy, and you arent relying on the dude from the gym to get you your hcg.

Thank u

_ 75iu ED HMG ( 8 75s on hand)
- 1000iu HMG E3D (10k iu on hand)

Plenty of chlomid,nolva and AI.

Might blast the HMG ED for 8 then 1000iu HCG E3D.