Please Explain this !!!!!!!!!!

[Bullseye Forever]

Well I have read that a low SHBG level means you will metabolize testosterone faster. It could be your body is just converting a lot of the testosterone to estrogen due to an elevation in aromatase enzyme, or a high free testosterone level which is driving up aromatase. In this event maybe letrozole would serve you well. Start at maybe 2.5mgs a week? Have you tested estrogen levels?

yea my estrogen level was 25pg/ml well within normal range

bro, that's why I was the first guy to tell you it's probably not possible. Doesn't matter IF you are a super fast metabolizer or not - might be you use it with a 40 min half-life vs. someone else with a 1.5 hr half-life. The test is deposited in an oil depot, the rate at which the test-cyp is available just doesn't change all that much from person-to-person. You don't just "suck" it out of the depot.

You present quite a puzzle, but I would still suggest you go back to basics: have someone else inject you with "known" grade test. At least that way you can eliminate most if not all of the possibilities.

brother,the test i use is known grade testosterone from the pharmacy...please elaborate so i can understand what you mean by "known" thanks

What time of day was your test taken? I would assume your DR knows to draw it in the morning...but....

yes it was taken in the morning

 

[MoparMuscle]

Have you done 3 tests in a week? Day 3, 5 and 7 to see the drop? Could try swiching to twice a week then doing this see it helps.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Have you done 3 tests in a week? Day 3, 5 and 7 to see the drop? Could try swiching to twice a week then doing this see it helps.

3 test in a week? as in blood test?

 

[DeusMalo]

I think it's pretty simple - half life is different for many. The pamphlet in the box with sandoz t cyp says 8 days and it's based on a small sample, but clinically valid. None of the tests for half life are consensus, they are all based on sample. Statistically valid but there will ALWAYS be 1 and more standard devs outside.

Why different? Metabolism is a big factor, but think of all we've learned about test and how it converts to other hormones and it's interactions with myriad tissues/systems in our bodies. Half lives aren't as simple as they sound... this is the same for anything in each of us. My wife gets 20,000mg B12 shots/week, but most would say "that's impossible, no way" - to which I say "yeah, way and her compound pharm loves her visits."

I imagine I am the same as Bullseye - 200mg/week won't even put me at top of range and if I have my blood tested after 7 days w/out an inject, I am below 300. But most would say that's impossible with 200mg t cyp - sorry, for me it is and I was using Sandoz rx from Rite Aid.

 

[MoparMuscle]

3 test in a week? as in blood test?

Ya three blood tests. Just total t so you can see the drop.

 

[David1963]

I wouldn't rule out that the lab just F*#ked up. It happens. I'd suggest that you get another test done before you make any big changes.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

I think it's pretty simple - half life is different for many. The pamphlet in the box with sandoz t cyp says 8 days and it's based on a small sample, but clinically valid. None of the tests for half life are consensus, they are all based on sample. Statistically valid but there will ALWAYS be 1 and more standard devs outside.

Why different? Metabolism is a big factor, but think of all we've learned about test and how it converts to other hormones and it's interactions with myriad tissues/systems in our bodies. Half lives aren't as simple as they sound... this is the same for anything in each of us. My wife gets 20,000mg B12 shots/week, but most would say "that's impossible, no way" - to which I say "yeah, way and her compound pharm loves her visits."

I imagine I am the same as Bullseye - 200mg/week won't even put me at top of range and if I have my blood tested after 7 days w/out an inject, I am below 300. But most would say that's impossible with 200mg t cyp - sorry, for me it is and I was using Sandoz rx from Rite Aid.

i totally understand brother,thanks for your post

Ya three blood tests. Just total t so you can see the drop.

cool man,i will get it done,thanks

 

[ecdysone]

.please elaborate so i can understand what you mean by "known" thanks

Sorry bro, if my post seem too brief - it seems I never have time for anything!

Here's what I'm proposing: like I said previously, it is not likely anyone on your dosage would have such low (nearly 0 levels). In the past you've shown yourself to be a good responder. Forget about your test metabolism - it's all in a oil deposit, the rate at which you use it is irrelevant Although as cash mentioned, it MAY be possible that with alot of activity you can free a bit more from the depot, and if studies show that, well...

So, like I said in my first post, your previous injection SEEMS to not have been successful. Either, the test you are using is no good (has degraded) or the mechanism by which you are injecting is not optimal (doesn't matter if sub-Q or IM).

Occam's Razor tell us to go back to the basics. Have your doc's office (for example) inject you with their test.

IF you still get the same levels, contact one of the research centers as you are a genetically a very, very rare dude (only j/k).

 

[Nitszo]

You should have waited before you started your cycle man.
If u waited, you could have injected some test (by your doctor) then checked your blood levels again to see if it was low.. he would then give you a higher dosage or something.
All i can say is thats fucked and keep your head up bro, try to make the most of the cycle as you can!
You might want to stay away from another blood test untill 5weeks after your current cycle man, if he sees your levels high 1000-2000 or some shit hes going to not help you.
That guy who said that you metabolize test quickly, im not sure if its true or not (because the ester is what makes it release into the body) lol.. but he could be onto somthing so maybe try injecting test more then once a week, 2-3times could be more for you..
Just try to figure out what works for you man.. also get back on the cyp because that enanthate sounds fake.

Its a hardcall bro, i hope i dont have to deal with this shit.
Im getting my blood test results in 3hours man.. im going to post them up.
I think i will have low test, high estrogen.. but we will see.

 

[UserAt204]

How long after your last shot of test did you get the bloods done? I know you said you missed 1.5 weeks but do you know the exact date of your last shot and of the day you had blood drawn.

Time of day won't matter because you are on Exo test so you are not measuring what your body produces. SHBG being low is a good thing meaning more test will be free roaming as opposed to being bound up by albium.

Estro is in good range.

I'm confused tho. I thought that on 300mg per week you were only reaching 500-600ng/DL ? Did you say that at day 3 after inject it was at 2100ng ? That seems a bit high for most docs

 

[DADAWG]

there is no way you were on consistent 300mg a week and only stopped for 10 days then had a test and you were at 82. there is just no fucking way. i agree with cachout 100% but to think you could drop to almost nothing after 10 days is mind boggling. fuck at 300mg a week, you should have AT LEAST 75 still int the depot at day 10.

either something is wrong with your testosterone, or you got someone else's results or somehow you messed up the dosing and arent taking near as much as you think.

what makes me think its your T is the the fact you only scored 582 on 300mg a week, you should be scoring well over 1500 at 300mg a week.

something is wrong with this picture, there has to be an error somewhere.

most men only need 100mg a week to hit the 7-800's

100% agree .
ive been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for a VERY long time and my doctor requires regular blood work and even when im using test straight from the pharmacy at the exact schedule of my script sometimes my bloodwork comes back whacked . ive always assumed that it was lab error because when retested asap my numbers would be right back in the ballpark of what they should be.

 

[Packgus]

I just got blood work in last week. The blood was drawn 4 days after my 200mg test cyp injection. My levels came back at total testosterone at 2251. thats pretty freaken high. I guess this is just an example that it reacts differently in each person. I guess I am a lucky one.

 

[Mr P]

some meds interfear with the test levels,

 

[cashout]

I just got blood work in last week. The blood was drawn 4 days after my 200mg test cyp injection. My levels came back at total testosterone at 2251. thats pretty freaken high. I guess this is just an example that it reacts differently in each person. I guess I am a lucky one.

I'm exactly the same way.

From 5.5 months ago...200 mg test cyp 1X week.

About 48 hours after pinning my level was 2094 ng/dl.

About 96 hours (4 days) level was 1602 ng/dl.

7 days after pin, 1048 ng/dl.


Again, supports the rule of thumb that for every 100 mg you can get about 1000 ng/dl

I switched to 100 mg on Mon/Thurs and 5 weeks ago...

48 hours after pin 1701 ng/dl
96 hours after pin (right before next 100 mg inject) 1291 ng/dl.

Not as much variation in the range.

 

[Teutonic]

B -eye...

I just read it all...and as we share another common, malady..I ask you..when your below 100..can you FEEL it...physically , emotionally..etc.

Also..you know a lot of other meds can crush test levels with their own lil evil way s and though I ll not elaborate on those as we too, again, share a love hate relationship with THOSE fuckers.

Could it be, maybe the other shit s half life is present and crushing those test level s ?

I ain t no pharamcist just a veteran of the gear, adrenaline, pain game bro...

I m taking sanity over size right now bro...just saying.

 

[cjw2021]

Bullseye is a unique case. There is such a thing as androgen resistance and hypermetabolism. Bullseye, I would not try to lump yourself with everyone else, just keep an eye on estrogen levels. Maybe try 150mg of zinc a day as they use this a lot in Germany to lower aromatase enzyme significantly.

I would get this figured out before you throw a bunch of more hormones into your body as you don't want it all converting to estrogen. Like I said, maybe you should try Letrozole.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

How long after your last shot of test did you get the bloods done? I know you said you missed 1.5 weeks but do you know the exact date of your last shot and of the day you had blood drawn.

Time of day won't matter because you are on Exo test so you are not measuring what your body produces. SHBG being low is a good thing meaning more test will be free roaming as opposed to being bound up by albium.

Estro is in good range.

I'm confused tho. I thought that on 300mg per week you were only reaching 500-600ng/DL ? Did you say that at day 3 after inject it was at 2100ng ? That seems a bit high for most docs

i cant remember the excat day of the last pin,but the date of my blood drawn was october 13th,so i will say it would be october 3rd was my last pin.....and yes on the 300mg/week i was only reaching close to 600ng/dl

B -eye...

I just read it all...and as we share another common, malady..I ask you..when your below 100..can you FEEL it...physically , emotionally..etc.

Also..you know a lot of other meds can crush test levels with their own lil evil way s and though I ll not elaborate on those as we too, again, share a love hate relationship with THOSE fuckers.

Could it be, maybe the other shit s half life is present and crushing those test level s ?

I ain t no pharamcist just a veteran of the gear, adrenaline, pain game bro...

I m taking sanity over size right now bro...just saying.

i know brother what you are saying,but finally i kicked that other deal that we dicussed,so thats not the problem anymore,i just wish i knew what was going on about my levels

Bullseye is a unique case. There is such a thing as androgen resistance and hypermetabolism. Bullseye, I would not try to lump yourself with everyone else, just keep an eye on estrogen levels. Maybe try 150mg of zinc a day as they use this a lot in Germany to lower aromatase enzyme significantly.

I would get this figured out before you throw a bunch of more hormones into your body as you don't want it all converting to estrogen. Like I said, maybe you should try Letrozole.

i just wish i knew what to do man

 

[cjw2021]

if I were you i'd just inject 3 times a week. Switch to testosterone propionate possibly and inject EOD....run letrozole. I Don't see a solution outside of these three methods. Your SHBG is super low and so you are going to burn through the test fast imo.

you got estrogen labs?
think about it if you have a high aromatase enzyme its gonna be busy converting a lot of that test to estrogen which will run through the test faster.

Test prop EOD with letrozole 2.5mgs twice a week is my strategy. I'm a hypermetabolizer as well. Test prop I find aromatizes less to estrogen in my body. and letrozole is the strongest AI.

 

[Repo]

Hey buddy I see what you're saying - this doesn't seem right at all.

You have some very good advise from some of our Ology gurus so I'll add a list of medications that can effect testosterone levels.

1. Anti-hypertensives (Inderal, Clonidine, Reserpine, Lasix, etc...)

2. Antidepressants (SSRI's, tricyclics, MAOi's, etc...)

3. Tranquilizers (Haldol, Thorazine, Zyprexa, Seroquel, etc...)

4. Anticholinergics (Benadryl, Donnatal, Pro-Banthine, Cogentin, etc...)

If you're on any of these I would ask your doctor for an alternation.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Hey buddy I see what you're saying - this doesn't seem right at all.

You have some very good advise from some of our Ology gurus so I'll add a list of medications that can effect testosterone levels.

1. Anti-hypertensives (Inderal, Clonidine, Reserpine, Lasix, etc...)

2. Antidepressants (SSRI's, tricyclics, MAOi's, etc...)

3. Tranquilizers (Haldol, Thorazine, Zyprexa, Seroquel, etc...)

4. Anticholinergics (Benadryl, Donnatal, Pro-Banthine, Cogentin, etc...)

If you're on any of these I would ask your doctor for an alternation.

yea i take an ssri and wellbutrin,lisinopril and Bystolic