Question for Vets ( Austinite-Halfwit)

[308power]

Okay, my first real question. I admit I do not know everything.

I have been researching pinning sub q for quite some time because of the damages that pinning I.m e.o.d does to the muscle over the years, but there is a scarcity of information surrounding this. Considering I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I am in the for the long haul.

I do have a medical background, but everything that I have been taught in school about steroid hormones says they should be injected I.M.

How much can be pinned at one point in time Sub q? Could you pin multiple times a day? Would the body accept other compounds such as Deca or Tren Sub q?

 

[theblitzkrieg]

Not a vet but you should try using backloaded slin pins. When I was injecting 1ml tren and 1ml mast daily I would do just that. I'm very lean though.

 

[clman8585]

.6cc yes and yes

 

[clman8585]

You want little lumps all over your stomach? Lol that would be annoying as fuck

 

[308power]

Better lumps in fat than lumps in muscle

 

[Austinite]

Okay, my first real question. I admit I do not know everything.

I have been researching pinning sub q for quite some time because of the damages that pinning I.m e.o.d does to the muscle over the years, but there is a scarcity of information surrounding this. Considering I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I am in the for the long haul.

I do have a medical background, but everything that I have been taught in school about steroid hormones says they should be injected I.M.

How much can be pinned at one point in time Sub q? Could you pin multiple times a day? Would the body accept other compounds such as Deca or Tren Sub q?

Anything can be injected subQ. Any volume would also be absorbed. However, Anything more than 0.6ml in volume will likely leave you with hardened lumps that are uncomfortable to the touch. These generally go away in 3 days, but certainly not pleasant. So if your volume is higher, I recommend you split it up. You could certainly inject multiple times per day.

 

[halfwit]

I'm still waiting for two month's worth of lumps to go away from my Bydureon. I honestly think the "holes" problem from IM is overrated, but that's partially because I refuse to pin subQ more than I have to.

Austinite answered everything imo, just be sure not to scratch those lumps if you get them.

 

[prisonsex]

If the "holes" problem is a ligitement issue; one of you guys should let Colemen, Cutler, Green and the other mass monsters know.....pretty quick. You know by now they been pinning at least daily for overt a decade.

I'm still waiting for two month's worth of lumps to go away from my Bydureon. I honestly think the "holes" problem from IM is overrated, but that's partially because I refuse to pin subQ more than I have to.

Austinite answered everything imo, just be sure not to scratch those lumps if you get them.

 

[halfwit]

If the "holes" problem is a ligitement issue; one of you guys should let Colemen, Cutler, Green and the other mass monsters know.....pretty quick. You know by now they been pinning at least daily for overt a decade.

Agreed. I do acknowledge that there is a scar tissue problem, but that's pretty much handled with site rotation.

 

[caladin]

I have pinned 2ml subq for shits and giggles and wont be doing it again. Not even 1ml. Leaves a wonderful little knot and looks well less then optimal. Is there some data you could share on this issue with muscle degradation with IM shots?

 

[308power]

Ok cool thanks guys. I am pinning a total of 4.5ml a week. I would have to split that up to about 10 injections.

Im thinking it would be more convenient to i.m inject on blasts and try out subq on cruise when its only about 2ml.

Lumps? As in a sterile abcess?

 

[308power]

I have pinned 2ml subq for shits and giggles and wont be doing it again. Not even 1ml. Leaves a wonderful little knot and looks well less then optimal. Is there some data you could share on this issue with muscle degradation with IM shots?

I dont have specific data backing it up. Just seems logical that putting 1,000's of holes in your muscle over the years would cause some problems.

Wow. Just realized i'm more concerned with damaging my muscles than the possible effects of extended anabolic steroid abuse.

 

[halfwit]

Ok cool thanks guys. I am pinning a total of 4.5ml a week. I would have to split that up to about 10 injections.

Im thinking it would be more convenient to i.m inject on blasts and try out subq on cruise when its only about 2ml.

Lumps? As in a sterile abcess?

Yeah, that's a lot of oil for subQ imo. They're not sterile abscesses, just a fatty lump known as lipohypertrophy. They go away over time, but are irritating to say the least.

I dont have specific data backing it up. Just seems logical that putting 1,000's of holes in your muscle over the years would cause some problems.

I could give a study regarding fibrous myopathy, but it doesn't really pertain to AAS specifically even though it is the same mechanism and end result in some.

If chronic intramuscular injection cannot be avoided, we recommend close serial monitoring of the muscles being injected. Hardening of muscle tissue, loss of muscle strength or range of motion, muscle tenderness or pain, or increasing functional disability should prompt review of the injections and a search for alternative pain control interventions.

Source
I'm sure Austinite or Dre will have better luck in finding something more specific to this, but I know it has come up a few times in the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) circles.

Wow. Just realized i'm more concerned with damaging my muscles than the possible effects of extended anabolic steroid abuse.

Haha, I think you're concerned with both - this just happens to be more on the front burner.

 

[308power]

Thanks for the info guys. Always looking for new and better ways to do things.

Halfwit- You never went in on my back from the dead thread . Was givin away squat and deadlift tips like mad.

 

[halfwit]

Thanks for the info guys. Always looking for new and better ways to do things.

Halfwit- You never went in on my back from the dead thread . Was givin away squat and deadlift tips like mad.

Uh ohhh. If there was someone on this forum I'd listen to when it comes to that, it would most certainly be you. BRB, time to find me a thread!

 

[Flynman]

I agree with the Sub Q lumps ..not very comfortable. Smooth Gear, 25G pins, rotate the sites. The Quads can be injected in many different locations to cut down on scarring one area. I am also on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and have been using AAS for 15+ years. I occasionally hit a spot in my quads that is a little hard to inject because of scare tissue build up, but pulling out or pushing the pin in slightly usually gets it done.

 

[Nightmare007]

Anything can be pinned subq but you can't use more than .5-.6 ml causes lumps also
It takes longer to absorb stick to IM