i advocate VERY responsible use, my body is built on less then 1 gram per week. still can look awesome AND prove it. people really need to post pics to have a word in this or in life
ok. I read through this stupid thread for 30 min and have to address one thing. You are so obsessed with pics. In your opinion, if they do not look good then how can you take advice from them right?
Let me tell you something: When I was recruited out of high school to play D-1 football, I was coached by one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the country(and his program IS known as one of the best in the nation). My junior year I was in the best shape of my entire life. I could run 35 one hundred yard dashes in less than 18 seconds each dash in full pads and 100 degree weather with only 35 second breaks in between and still not get gassed. I was benching 325, dead-lifting 405 and power cleans of 250. I was also running a 4.65 forty yard dash and had a 33 inch vertical jump. That was all thanks to my coach(and some outside speed training). Dude was a genius when it came to dieting, lifting, speed training and conditioning.
However, if you saw him you would not think that. He was "average" looking with a beer belly. The dude had a shitty diet. I always saw him eat top ramen noodles and hot cheetos left and right. And he always carried a huge thermos full of beer(he was a alcoholic and was lighly buzzed 80% of the time)The other coaches knew, but he was so damn good at his job that they looked the other way. His mentality was: "I'm like a doctor who smokes cigarettes, I know it's not good for me but I just don't give a fuck".
He was a very good coach and can turn anyone into a real athlete. He would even go to the welding shop and have custom things made for us for the different exercises he would throw at us.
Bottom line is: If you saw him at the grocery store, you would not think he knows jack shit about exercising in general. Contrary, he is known for being one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the nation for college football.
When I say I was in the best shape of my life my JR year, I could never go back to that even on a shit ton of gear. Plus I do not have the same motivation to work that hard. Simply just "looking good"(what bodybuilders try to achieve) is nowhere near being a division where every Saturday is pure war.
And before you throw your "post pics your JR year!" at me, I will do no such thing. You would easily be able to find me on google images and see what school I played for, and I do not want this info about my coach going public because he was one of the greatest people I have ever met.
You cannot judge someones expertise based on how they look. Point blank.