Guys - i have searched both the forums and the internet but failed to find any solid facts or research on switching to and effectiveness of sub q injections. Most discussions focus on managing estradiol levels via smaller more frequent sub q injections (as frequent as every other day) but little solid data on impact to T levels. Did see antidotal information that T levels are better via sub q but the info seems unreliable and several years old. Can someone point me to some information on the topic? Thank you in advance!
Sub cutaneous Injections vs IM
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Megatron28
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It doesn't matter. Don't overthink this. Try both methods and see which you prefer. Most of us end up preferring IM injections for testosterone.
I'm in sc injections and found it perfect.
But, not all brands are good for that. The most are too thick in consistence what builds bubbles under the skin and result in not soo good levels and also could be it hurts. The onliest brand with absolute no problems on me is Testosterone Depo from Galenika. This is nice stuff with no allergic oils but only available in eastern europe as far I know. But the enanthate from genesis couls be also a bit thinner.
I also have try out injection in the scrotum (it's also only a skin flat and perfect for that) and the result is the same.
Estrogen conversion is the same as on other injection types (its related to your whole bodyfat).
The biggest plus on sc injections are more stable levels, easy to inject per very small insulin needle (here also thinner oil is good
) and you don't have the risk of hitting nerves and big blood vessels. So it is very good also for beginners.
Only, the working set in a bit slower then with IM injections, but that is no problem if you regulary inject (my route with good results is ca. 100ml/5d, but it should be very individual, what you need
).
Look at my thread here in the forum. There is also a link to a study about that!
But, not all brands are good for that. The most are too thick in consistence what builds bubbles under the skin and result in not soo good levels and also could be it hurts. The onliest brand with absolute no problems on me is Testosterone Depo from Galenika. This is nice stuff with no allergic oils but only available in eastern europe as far I know. But the enanthate from genesis couls be also a bit thinner.
I also have try out injection in the scrotum (it's also only a skin flat and perfect for that) and the result is the same.
Estrogen conversion is the same as on other injection types (its related to your whole bodyfat).
The biggest plus on sc injections are more stable levels, easy to inject per very small insulin needle (here also thinner oil is good
) and you don't have the risk of hitting nerves and big blood vessels. So it is very good also for beginners.Only, the working set in a bit slower then with IM injections, but that is no problem if you regulary inject (my route with good results is ca. 100ml/5d, but it should be very individual, what you need
).Look at my thread here in the forum. There is also a link to a study about that!
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Megatron28
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appleton111
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appleton111
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Look at my thread here in the forum. There is also a link to a study about that!
where is this link??
Sorry, can't find my own lonk, but looking on Google. I was wondering how much articles there are found with this theme.
Around a year before there was not much to find about that... wow!
But, it's essential to find out a good brand with thinner oil for this method, otherwhise you will get blue points and hard lumps under the skin.
Around a year before there was not much to find about that... wow!
But, it's essential to find out a good brand with thinner oil for this method, otherwhise you will get blue points and hard lumps under the skin.
Guys-thx for all the feedback. I am in the States. I can get syringe without a prescription, but find the selection is limited and pricey.
I tried SC on Sunday and really liked it from a simplicity standpoint. Found it less stressful, easier and painless tho the latter isnt a decision point for me. I took the shot in the stomach, at 3 o'clock position relative to my button and will rotate like a clock across 8 different sites. Too early to assess anything else at this point but will keep going for now.
Thx again!!!
I tried SC on Sunday and really liked it from a simplicity standpoint. Found it less stressful, easier and painless tho the latter isnt a decision point for me. I took the shot in the stomach, at 3 o'clock position relative to my button and will rotate like a clock across 8 different sites. Too early to assess anything else at this point but will keep going for now.
Thx again!!!
Yes, it's easy to do and anywhere where you have a bit fat it's good to do.
Also I have tried out scrotal injection, because also this is only a skin fold and it's no matter where you inject per sc.
The main thing is, it's an relative smooth and unused skin area.
Also there it's good to have a relative thin material with low allergic incredients. At time I know only one in the EU what is perfect. Don't know, what is available in US.
You need a prescription for empty syringes???
... but nothing for a gun?
The US has many ??? for europeans... lol
Also I have tried out scrotal injection, because also this is only a skin fold and it's no matter where you inject per sc.
The main thing is, it's an relative smooth and unused skin area.
Also there it's good to have a relative thin material with low allergic incredients. At time I know only one in the EU what is perfect. Don't know, what is available in US.
You need a prescription for empty syringes???
... but nothing for a gun?The US has many ??? for europeans... lol
Megatron28
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There are basically infinite spots on the body to pin Subq.
Why you would want to choose your scrotum is beyond me when you have countless other options.
Why you would want to choose your scrotum is beyond me when you have countless other options.
Entourage_Doc
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Haha, pure gold. Scrotal injections 
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Scrotum, because it's only a skin fold like other parts of skin and also it is good supplied with blood.
I have test it and it's no difference between IM, subcutane belly and subcutane scrotal. Butr also here, you need the right product and still have found only one what is perfect with no bubble building, hurting and haematome.
Also for IM usage, if it is hurting days after injection in German: Injektionskater), it's not your failure, this is the oil base of the injectet product which isn't optimal for you.
Why should DHT higher if you don't inject intra muscular? Also the bodypart has no consequences on converting to DHT, E2, what ever.
It doesn't matter where you inject. The only difference is, how fast the testo is absorbed into the bloodstream. Subcutane the rate is a bit lower but more seadily, what is perfect for TRT, but not so the whish of peoples in Cycles. 
I'm only doing subcutane. It's senseless and much more dangerous to hit your muscles with needles.
Ah, I forget... the reason to try scrotal was because subcutane injection leaves ugly blue areas on skin. On the scrotum it would be no problem. Nobody would see it. But, like I wrote above, with the right enanthate I have never had blue areas after injection. So the belly is ok, but scrotum is also possible.
I have test it and it's no difference between IM, subcutane belly and subcutane scrotal. Butr also here, you need the right product and still have found only one what is perfect with no bubble building, hurting and haematome.
Also for IM usage, if it is hurting days after injection in German: Injektionskater), it's not your failure, this is the oil base of the injectet product which isn't optimal for you.
Why should DHT higher if you don't inject intra muscular? Also the bodypart has no consequences on converting to DHT, E2, what ever.
It doesn't matter where you inject.
The only difference is, how fast the testo is absorbed into the bloodstream. Subcutane the rate is a bit lower but more seadily, what is perfect for TRT, but not so the whish of peoples in Cycles. I'm only doing subcutane. It's senseless and much more dangerous to hit your muscles with needles.
Ah, I forget... the reason to try scrotal was because subcutane injection leaves ugly blue areas on skin. On the scrotum it would be no problem. Nobody would see it. But, like I wrote above, with the right enanthate I have never had blue areas after injection. So the belly is ok, but scrotum is also possible.
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Don't think there is an connection. Not to rub on scrotum has another backgrounds... it's hurting extreme and also the skin will be very dry after rub the alcohol based cream on the sensible thin skin.
There is nothing in the scrotum what is generating DHT. The testo will go in the blood stream and doesn't matter where it is absorbed. DHT converting is placed in several organs especcially the prostate gland and in the skin, but there only local and without spreading.
I have seen, in the bodybuilding scene are circulating much funny legends... if I take a look outside the TRT section here and in other forums.
There is nothing in the scrotum what is generating DHT.
The testo will go in the blood stream and doesn't matter where it is absorbed. DHT converting is placed in several organs especcially the prostate gland and in the skin, but there only local and without spreading.I have seen, in the bodybuilding scene are circulating much funny legends... if I take a look outside the TRT section here and in other forums.
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I just started with sub q shots using 200/ml TCyp. I'm finding it really hard to get air bubbles out before I inject. Using #30 insulin needle. Nurses showed me the first time and couldn't understand why I wanted such a small needle and said I should use something bigger.
Why do we use small needles and what can I do about this bubble problem? Is it a problem?
Why do we use small needles and what can I do about this bubble problem? Is it a problem?
Yes, and? I don't inject in the testes.
The blood vessels from scrotum don't go into testicles.
... and no, E2 and DHT isn't much producing in the testicles. Only a very very small amount is generated there.
DHT is mainly produced in target cells (prostate, skin,...) and E2 is mainly produced in the fat tissue and a bit in other parts.
What I say ... many funny myths ...
Man without Testicles have the same problems with E2 and DHT like the other ones.
The absolute main function of testes is to producing sperm and Testo, nothing more.
The blood vessels from scrotum don't go into testicles.
... and no, E2 and DHT isn't much producing in the testicles. Only a very very small amount is generated there.
DHT is mainly produced in target cells (prostate, skin,...) and E2 is mainly produced in the fat tissue and a bit in other parts.
What I say ... many funny myths ...
Man without Testicles have the same problems with E2 and DHT like the other ones.
The absolute main function of testes is to producing sperm and Testo, nothing more.
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