such thing as testosterone non responders?

[josh223]

What was your dosing frequency? And what size needle did u use and where were your injections?

If u used a needle that wasnt long enough and did thigh injections its possible that you only injected into fat and it never reached your muscle which means it didnt get to your bloodstream. ( at least not as fast)

also keep in mind testosterone will not cause you to have agression. To be honest I have kept my cool the whole time while taking test, it leveled me out and I have pretty bad anxiety normally and testosterone made me pretty happy, and completely anxiety free though I took 500mg which is much higher than the 200mg dose for HRT.

 

[josh223]

screw the shrinks and endo's dude it's seems they know shit about anything lol. but iam going to the shrink to get the medication.

if i dident know the in and out of my brain and hormones I would have done stupid shit long time ago, at time i appear to anti social but i have a good sense of why i feel the way i do eighter external stimulation or internal hormones , serotonin dopa mine imbalance...thanks god I have enough intelligence to interpret my emotions and behavior. hahah
sometimes I wonder how in the word do i have a perfect crim and driving record. i mean spotless 100% germ free lol.

Bro I understand it can be tough, but shrinks and endo's most likely do not have behavioral disorders so they probably dont understand what it feels like to have depression.
But you need to trust them and let them help you. Dont stop taking something prescribed because you dont think its working.

Why?
Serotonin syndrome is one example. If you stop taking something like paxil, zoloft, lexapro your brain can have a shock because it goes to produce serotonin and it doesnt have the help of the drug to do it and it fails to and your brain gets electrical false pulses shocking your brain

To properly stop taking stuff like that you have to taper. Not in 1 week, or 1 month, but over a few months or more its not easy.

Just have to trust your doctors thats all i'm saying and take it easy on yourself bro things take time. Find your maintenance drugs and stay on them. Forever.
Once you balance out and stau on those drugs your body will stabilize and your depression will get better. With the help of a healthy diet, a more positive outlook on life and some time at a psychologist I guarantee you you can get everything sorted out and I promise you will get better.

 

[josh223]

iam straight dude i only went on the zoloft for anxiety mostly and not even depression, but zoloft makes u happy but the stupid happy cause it lowers dopamine, and I do workout. I want to use the test for a period of time to see what happens and if it gives me my motivation in life back, but this bitch dosent wanna work lol.

to any one that know i been taking taking zoloft, liver and skin complexxion seemed fine, cause of the zoloft i used hydrocodeon more often just to raise my dopamine levels so i could have motivation and used some xanax off and on, with all this my liver and skin complextion seemed fine, but going on the test my skin is pale and now and then i get pain in middle of my stomache from the test.

so test must he harder on the liver and kidneys then all those medication? whats your guys say? or would u say test is harder on the liver then alchol?

Testosterone is NOT harder on the liver. You mentioned you take hydrocodone. That is an opiate. Same type of opiate as heroin. Very VERY toxic to your liver. Testosterone and antidepressants barely effect your liver but the hydrocodone is stressing it WAY WORSE THAN ALCOHOL

Zoloft does not lower dopamine levels, it only raises serotonin so it can cause an imbalance.

You need to try something like cymbalta, wellbutrin, or MAOI, or tricyclics.

Do not take a pain killer to raise dopamine. this will cause addiction and liver damage. you do not want this to happen trust me I was addicted to vicodin for a year please take my word for it.

the pain in the stomach is your liver in pain from the hydrocodone use, NOT testosterone

 

[josh223]

WTF dude? If you were prescribed Zoloft, you need to keep taking it. It's not some easy going psych med that they give to soccer moms and housewives. It is some serious shit prescribed for some serious mental health issues. My guess is your anger/mood swings are going out of control right now due to "Discontinuation Syndrome". Get back on your meds ASAP, tell your prescribing psychiatrist what the hell you are doing - and be 100% truthful. Quit wasting everyone's time here until you get your mental health house back in order. And for God's sake, get bloodwork done ASAP for your liver functions. Zoloft is hell on the liver.

He's right you can't just stop taking something like this. But I do not agree that it is liver toxic. But that is my opinion. No need to worry about liver toxicity with zoloft unless you are an alcoholic or have some sort of liver disease.

 

[stevenmd]

No need to worry about liver toxicity with zoloft

??????????????? Do your research bro!

 

[josh223]

??????????????? Do your research bro!

Yeah while it may not be best, It's not his main worry at this point in time. It's the hydrocodone abuse thats destroying his liver.

 

[jadakiss]

Hi , I think u really need to take ur meds it's important .

 

[stevenmd]

Yeah while it may not be best, It's not his main worry at this point in time. It's the hydrocodone abuse thats destroying his liver.

Having spent years in addiction treatment as a provider, I am very familiar with morphine derivatives. However, I am going to respectfully disagree that a morphine derivative is more toxic to the liver than his other med.

Now abuse of a morphine derivative is a totally different animal but not in terms of toxicity to the liver. Abuse will have other side effects, physiological, psychological and behavioral/environmental, that are a much greater concern than the short term toxicity to the liver.

 

[BoBoy]

must of been a typo, If i did write that, then my fault mine is 200mg/ml watson test cyp dark brown long skinny vials.

Hmmm- my Watson test 200 is in small clear vials , got mine at Walgreens too. ~Bo~

 

[BoBoy]

Testosterone is NOT harder on the liver. You mentioned you take hydrocodone. That is an opiate. Same type of opiate as heroin. Very VERY toxic to your liver. Testosterone and antidepressants barely effect your liver but the hydrocodone is stressing it WAY WORSE THAN ALCOHOL

Zoloft does not lower dopamine levels, it only raises serotonin so it can cause an imbalance.

You need to try something like cymbalta, wellbutrin, or MAOI, or tricyclics.

Do not take a pain killer to raise dopamine. this will cause addiction and liver damage. you do not want this to happen trust me I was addicted to vicodin for a year please take my word for it.

the pain in the stomach is your liver in pain from the hydrocodone use, NOT testosterone

I agree - stay away from pain meds until you have real pain . My doc wouldn"t put me on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because my test levels were in the mid 300"s ; so I took hydrocodeine for 2 weeks then got retested , 274 mg TT . Got a scrip that day for test !! ~Bo~

 

[Pantalones]

Okay..so I know its crazy, but does anyone actually believe that some people may respond better to say a prop ester than a cyp or enth?

 

[old&stacked]

Okay..so I know its crazy, but does anyone actually believe that some people may respond better to say a prop ester than a cyp or enth?

I had a buddy of mine try test e and he got all the bad side effects from it and none of the good. Cant say why but it was weird science type shit. He siad his balls srank his libido took a hit and he got depressed. He stopped around week 10 taking it and all went back to normal after his post cycle therapy (pct). Hes never touched gear since.

 

[DADAWG]

Okay..so I know its crazy, but does anyone actually believe that some people may respond better to say a prop ester than a cyp or enth?

NO test is test , the ester controls how long it takes the TEST to get into the system and how long it takes to leave the system. if the ester is what cause gains we wouldnt need the test we would just inject the ester.

 

[Pantalones]

I knew it was stupid..just wondering why 50 mg of prop EOD gets me better gains than 200 mg cyp a week.

 

[Youngblood43]

I knew it was stupid..just wondering why 50 mg of prop EOD gets me better gains than 200 mg cyp a week.

mg for mg prop is stronger due to its ester
100mg cyp=70mg test
100mg prop=80mg test

 

[Pantalones]

Is that strength significant enough for me to really notice though? Doubtful, especially when I'm taking 200 mg of cyp vs 200 of prop a week. It shouldn't have such a profound impact.

 

[DADAWG]

mg for mg prop is stronger due to its ester
100mg cyp=70mg test
100mg prop=80mg test

its true there is a slight difference due to ester weight . most people think prop is stronger because it kicks in faster . prop vs cyp or eth comes down to both having advantages but being able to run a heavy cycle/ lots of milligrams with little to no injection pain makes the cyp or eth a winner to me but its just personnal preference really.

 

[river]

I'm picturing my 8 yr old when they don't get their snack in time after school..... Agree with train wreck... That's crazy to stop col turkey