Cobra Strike
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There is prop in sus which has a half life of 2-3 days...so it will be metabolized before your next shot
Sustanon, ed, eod, twice weekly or weekly????
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There is prop in sus which has a half life of 2-3 days...so it will be metabolized before your next shot
yeah i mean i've recommended people pin sust eod because i'd heard and read that and because it has prop in there it made sense.
but the statement "to take full advantage of the prop...." when you think about it, actually seems like it could be totally useless.
what takes full advantage of the prop ester, is the phenyl prop and iso caproate esters, rounded off with the larger dose of the longer deca ester.
or so it would seem.
sust 250...
30mg prop - ester half life reached in ~1day
60mg phenyl prop - ester half life reached in ~2 days
60mg iso caproate - ester half life reached in 4-5 days.
100mg decanoate - ester half life reached in 7-8 days.
SO....
you take 1ml of sust 250 on day 1.
within the first day, half of the prop has hit your system, and a quarter of the phenyl prop has hit. phenyl prop is slightly heavier so they aren't quite equal, but you've gotten basically about the same amount of prop as well as phenyl prop released.
you've also released a small portion of the isocaproate and an even smaller portion of the decanoate.
within 2 days, 75% of the prop has hit.... 25% in the past 24 hours. but that is made up for by the fact that an additional 25% of the phenyl prop has hit and you're now approaching half of the total isocaproate and about 25% of the total decanoate having been releasted.
day 3 there is little prop remaining to be released.... less than a quarter.... the phenyl prop is on its way to having released most of it, but at this point the isocaproate has also been cleaved, over half of it, and the decanoate is approaching the half-way mark.
to keep it (over)simplified.... let's throw out ester weight for just a second.
Day 1, you pin 1ml
Day 2.... amount of cleaved test
Prop - ~15mg
Phenyl Prop - ~30mg
Isocaproate - ~10mg
Decanoate - ~12mg
total: ~67mg (minus ester weights of course)
Day 3.... amount of cleaved test
Prop - ~7mg
Phenyl Prop - ~15mg
Isocaproate - ~18mg
Decanoate - ~22mg
total: ~62mg
Day 4.... amount of cleaved test
Prop - ~3mg
Phenyl Prop - ~7mg
Isocaproate - ~18mg
Decanoate - ~20mg
total: ~48mg
that is VERY simple math and just quickly in my head so might be off.... but that gives a general outlook on how the release times play a role in the amount of test your body is getting in 24 hours chunks over the first 4 days.
pinning between the 3rd and 4th day would seem to be good for blood levels (according to my cracked out math) thus twice a week should be timed very well for balance.
learner people should speed that up and pin eod or mwf and people with a bit more bf can probably handle every 3.5 days or every 4 days.
again.... don't trust my math... sit down that and do the math yourself....
but the statement "to take full advantage of the prop...." when you think about it, actually seems like it could be totally useless.
what takes full advantage of the prop ester, is the phenyl prop and iso caproate esters, rounded off with the larger dose of the longer deca ester.
or so it would seem.
sust 250...
30mg prop - ester half life reached in ~1day
60mg phenyl prop - ester half life reached in ~2 days
60mg iso caproate - ester half life reached in 4-5 days.
100mg decanoate - ester half life reached in 7-8 days.
SO....
you take 1ml of sust 250 on day 1.
within the first day, half of the prop has hit your system, and a quarter of the phenyl prop has hit. phenyl prop is slightly heavier so they aren't quite equal, but you've gotten basically about the same amount of prop as well as phenyl prop released.
you've also released a small portion of the isocaproate and an even smaller portion of the decanoate.
within 2 days, 75% of the prop has hit.... 25% in the past 24 hours. but that is made up for by the fact that an additional 25% of the phenyl prop has hit and you're now approaching half of the total isocaproate and about 25% of the total decanoate having been releasted.
day 3 there is little prop remaining to be released.... less than a quarter.... the phenyl prop is on its way to having released most of it, but at this point the isocaproate has also been cleaved, over half of it, and the decanoate is approaching the half-way mark.
to keep it (over)simplified.... let's throw out ester weight for just a second.
Day 1, you pin 1ml
Day 2.... amount of cleaved test
Prop - ~15mg
Phenyl Prop - ~30mg
Isocaproate - ~10mg
Decanoate - ~12mg
total: ~67mg (minus ester weights of course)
Day 3.... amount of cleaved test
Prop - ~7mg
Phenyl Prop - ~15mg
Isocaproate - ~18mg
Decanoate - ~22mg
total: ~62mg
Day 4.... amount of cleaved test
Prop - ~3mg
Phenyl Prop - ~7mg
Isocaproate - ~18mg
Decanoate - ~20mg
total: ~48mg
that is VERY simple math and just quickly in my head so might be off.... but that gives a general outlook on how the release times play a role in the amount of test your body is getting in 24 hours chunks over the first 4 days.
pinning between the 3rd and 4th day would seem to be good for blood levels (according to my cracked out math) thus twice a week should be timed very well for balance.
learner people should speed that up and pin eod or mwf and people with a bit more bf can probably handle every 3.5 days or every 4 days.
again.... don't trust my math... sit down that and do the math yourself....
Right so when the prop reaches it's half life, then next ester would be working, in theory anyway. Don't get me wrong I agree with what u are saying cobra, I'm just looking at it in theory. I read a post where a guy claimed he had frequent blood test and the levels were more stable with the once a week. I've also seen the roid calculator calculations and that says ed is best. I'll probably give it another week or so and see how I feel and monitor strength/weight gain.
With my last cycle, I made good gains but just overall didn't feel good so that's the real reason I'm trying this but if you are right cobra I will end up feeling worse if my levels are all over the place. We shall see I guess. I've done a lot of cycles and this is the only one I have worried about because you may be right and it may be a waste but I feel good so far.
With my last cycle, I made good gains but just overall didn't feel good so that's the real reason I'm trying this but if you are right cobra I will end up feeling worse if my levels are all over the place. We shall see I guess. I've done a lot of cycles and this is the only one I have worried about because you may be right and it may be a waste but I feel good so far.
Cobra Strike
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Just looking that over everything looks pretty well. I just dont understand how it would benefit anyone by only doing 2 a week. If the prop is running through your system that fast then in theory pinning eod would be able to keep your levels more stable. Otherwise its like a rollercoaster with the prop. Thats just my way of thinking tho...Im not perfect 
Cobra Strike
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Ya! Hence why I wont run sus after I finish this cycle. Its just to dam difficult. I am sticking with c and e from now on. I believe that no matter what your doing the more you pin the more even your blood levels will be...gives less time for the esters to drop off. Plus I like to make up reasons to stick a needle in myself
yeah i mean i guess the idea is it won't be a roller coaster ride because as the prop is coming down the phenylprop is going up.... so they meet on middle ground with the overlap and then it is back up to the peak for the next one. so instead of going up to the peak and down to the base of the valley.... it'd be like drawing a line thru the middle and saying you never go below that. it is just bouncing up to the peaks then back to the baseline middle to catch the next wave.
with anything...the MOST stable blood levels you would get would probably be ed. but that also lowers overall peak blood levels from what i've heard. so finding a happy medium.
basically i guess my point was just 2x a week, 3x a week, 3.5x a week, it shouldn't make much of a difference. and as a general rule the leaner you are, the more often you should pin it?
well, that, and just to say boy am i glad i am not running Sustanon (sust). my head would explode.
Cobra Strike
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hahahaha its gonna be so nice to be done with the sus...wont have to worry about blood levels as much! (or having to drag a dead leg around for the first 2 weeks)
I'm with you on that. I got a bunch of it, don't ask why, and now I'm so tired of thinking about it and ready to get back to my normal cycles. I don't know why so many people like Sustanon (sust). This is my third and final time with. Thanks for the good info fellas. Glad I'm not the only one banging my head over this.
I was looking to do a 12 week cycle with 500mg sust p.w, or I have some test-e wich I would run at 500mg p.w have not decided which to use yet!
I have clomid and nolva for pct and I am now tryin to source some prop to start on wk 9-12 as discussed earlier.
Cheers Cobra!
Cobra Strike
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I would go with the test e personally. Its not like sus is all that bad its just more difficult to maintain your blood levels.
