Test and prop cut/strength log

[Bulldog2103]

I can definitely see the difference in those pics. But man, don't fuck around like that anymore. Glad you did well and it's out of your system, good thing your body is young and strong and can recover from the extreme stress you placed it under. Good shit on the ohp. Eat some food,Get some sleep and get back at it!

 

[MN87]

Thanks man. Human body is a miraculous thing!

Squatted 505 x 2 today. Probably coulda done more but I'll leave it for next time. I have 6-7 more weeks of cycle left and I think I can get to 545 for reps by then if everything goes as planned, if not more.

Also cutting another 250 cals outta my daily intake beginning tomorrow to keep this fat loss progressing, since I believe my fat loss has probably plateaued being on a 250 deficit for 6 weeks by now... the juice I'm taking should help me add strength on the deficit. That, plus I will probably add 100mg tren EOD sometime this week, which will def be a great aid in this recomp. Still haven't ordered prami, need to get on that today.

Also switched over to 12.5mg exemestane from GWP as of today, gonna do some thinking and see if I wanna up it to 25mg by day's end. 25 mg from research stop didn't do shit so we'll see how this handles my bloat.

 

[MN87]

Im just thinking to myself, how much MORE strength I would've gained if this was a bulk instead of a cut. Part of me sees the way I looked at 177 (non bloated) and thinks I'm already lean enough for my goals, but the other part of me wants to shred up just a TAD more... ugh I dunno! Part of me wants to turn this cut into a bulk... but then again, either way, I do believe the tren will help me add significantly even though I'm on a deficit, so maybe its good enough anyway. DECISIONS DECISONS!! Input as always is welcome

 

[Bulldog2103]

Great numbers today brother! Taking the tren plunge, huh? Damn, I don't think I should leave you hanging, I may have to get on that for the last 6 weeks of my run as well, though i'll start off at a low dose and work up. In regards to cutting or bulking, I think you can do both on tren. I'm thinking that while you may gain 5 pounds or so on the scale that ultimately your bodyfat will decrease to a range you are comfortable with, especially with it being summer and all.

I'll be following your tren exploration and will make an order for some this week. Let's do this shit!

 

[MN87]

I agree that I can lose body fat and gain muscle on tren, but I'm also trying to figure out a good calorie intake (i.e. deficit, maintence, or bulk) that'll take advantage of tren's recomp properties but also get me the goals I want (i.e. strength, leanness, and muscularity... basically I want it all lol).

Think I'm gonna stay with .5mg exemestane for now. I really believe the brand I used was complete bunk, since my body weight/bloat was not impacted at ALL after starting it. That being said, I initially was very apprehensive to the idea of bloat. Hence why I immediately went with 25mg exemestane to try to dry up ASAP. But alotta chicks actually find me more attractive now than pre-cycle, sooo.. give the crowd what they want I guess the moderate bloat that I have experienced has filled out my muscles while leaving my face relatively aesthetic, so I'm ok with it for now. Sometimes when my diet strays a bit, I puff up a bit more and I start to look unattractive, but thats a rarity anyway. And, as always, libido loss always concerns me, so better safe than sorry. Hence my decision to do 12.5 mg.. but we'll see, if I start to puff up Ill increase it again

 

[Bulldog2103]

This past week i've been on 0.5 mg's of letro and I dropped maybe about 7 pounds. Bloat is gone, abs are back so all my gains now are coming in lean. I hated the bloat, especially when it reached my face and neck so the letro has been a huge help and I am happy with the progress to this point.

I think we can get lean at 500 cals above maintenance. When I add in the tren, I will be upping my cals to maintenance to gauge it but I imagine we will be able to get exactly what we want at an above maintenance dose.

 

[superp]

Bulldog, how long did the letro take to kick in and help drop the water? I am thinking about having some on hand.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Bulldog, how long did the letro take to kick in and help drop the water? I am thinking about having some on hand.

It was very fast-acting. I saw noticeable results after a couple of days and have seen dramatic results after 6-7 days and that's at only half of the recommended dosage. It is very powerful and Rui is g2g. It's fantastic, it will keep your gains lean and your veins popping!

 

[mispronounced]

any concern about estro rebound with using letro?

edit- meant this for bulldogs thread, sorry! best of luck with your cycle too, ill be following both your logs

 

[Bulldog2103]

any concern about estro rebound with using letro?

edit- meant this for bulldogs thread, sorry! best of luck with your cycle too, ill be following both your logs

I'm sure there is, but I have clomid on hand for post cycle therapy (pct) and that should keep it at bay. Estrogen isn't all bad, I don't intend to completely eliminate it rather to make the ratio more one-sided in testosterone's favor. To be honest, after experiencing this I would be totally confident doing a test only cycle in combination with letro and attain all of my desired results. However, that's no fun so let's add some tren to the mix and have some new experiences.

 

[MN87]

any concern about estro rebound with using letro?

edit- meant this for bulldogs thread, sorry! best of luck with your cycle too, ill be following both your logs

No problem, thanks for following!

This past week i've been on 0.5 mg's of letro and I dropped maybe about 7 pounds. Bloat is gone, abs are back so all my gains now are coming in lean. I hated the bloat, especially when it reached my face and neck so the letro has been a huge help and I am happy with the progress to this point.

I think we can get lean at 500 cals above maintenance. When I add in the tren, I will be upping my cals to maintenance to gauge it but I imagine we will be able to get exactly what we want at an above maintenance dose.

What if one of us bulks on tren (you) and the other one cuts on tren (me)? Lol. Not saying I will do this, but it'd be interesting to see how our rates of strength progress would compare.

 

[Bulldog2103]

I'm definitely going to eat above maintenance, but the plan was to start at 500 above and adjust thereafter. When do you anticipate starting? I'm paying today so I imagine i'll have it by thursday or so.

 

[MN87]

Um, probably Wednesday. Gives me a little more time to figure out how to handle my diet going into it.

Gonna probably do 350/wk (100 EOD) for the remainder of my cycle.

So are you gonna order any ancillaries? I'm sure you know this already but bromo, prami, and caber are the big ones recommended for tren sides. Not sure if I already posted this, but I'm leaning towards prami only because it increases GH production... the rest of the effects seem to me to be pretty similar between the three, minus a side here, plus a side there, etc. If I do order, I kinda wanna try manpower, since they make it in tablet form. I'm just worried because I read somewhere that prami might effect your skin in rare cases (blotchiness, rash, acne, etc), and (in case you haven't already noticed) I'm pretty big on maintaining my whole pretty boy image lol

I'm also mildly concerned about hair loss from tren, but there's no precedence for it in my family, so I should probably be good.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Yeah, i'm picking up some prami this afternoon. Rui is having a 60% off sale at 3pm cst so i'm gonna get that and some other goodies. I definitely don't want the hairloss so that's a big concern for me. My buddy has some finasteride that I can buy off of him if that side presents itself. However, that will also diminish some of the muscle-building prowess as it prohibits that conversion so I won't start with it, but I will have it available at first sign of hair loss.

But to be honest, I haven't had any prolactin issues with the NPP, but I have been megadosing Vitamin B-6 every night. I don't expect that to be enough with how powerful tren is though so I will do both the B-6 as well as the prami. I hope we're not sensitive to the prami, those side effects would blow!

 

[MN87]

How you gonna go about pinning the tren? ED? EOD? Same syringe? Different pin areas? I'm either gonna look around locally to see if I can get my hands on any 5cc barrels, or just pin the tren in my ass and the prop in my quad on the same day. If I get comfortable with the ass injects I'll probably switch permanently... still have been sticking to quads only.

Btw, have you been taking any HCG? I don't recall seeing it mentioned in your thread anywhere. And did you end up picking up any var?

 

[Bulldog2103]

I'm gonna pin the prop and tren together 4 times per week. I have a 3cc syringe and that's enough to get what I need out of fit. I just rotate my left thigh, right thigh, left glute and right glute and it works out perfectly. I wouldn't touch the quads unless absolutely necessary, it just seems like there would be more soreness with a big volume of injection into a smaller muscle.

Yeah, I have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but I haven't been running it. i was thinking of doing a blast post-cycle but my thoughts on that have changed as I have just now noticed some atrophy. I will be starting that right away and using it during cycle as well as after. I bought a bottle of the Anavar (var) but I will not be adding it into this cycle now that i've opted to give tren a run. I figure i'll get use out of it at some point in the future, but in general i'd rather stay away from orals.

 

[MN87]

Yeah. I personally chose to start running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) because I read articles stating that people who had chosen to not run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout the course of their entire cycle were much less responsive to a blast phase, compared to people who had chosen to run it throughout the duration of their entire cycle who also chose to run a blast phase. That was the main reason, I didn't want to fuck with my recovery.

My biggest fear against its use was desensitization, but I gather that only happens at higher doses, and I would never run more than 500/day anyway. I've been doing 250 every couple of days but will probably bump to 500 every 3-4 days when I start tren-ing (my new verb). Plus I'll probably run some variation of a blast phase.

How is your ejaculate volume? Mine has DEFINITELY improved since I started Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and it makes it much more satisfying. On another note, I also notice that I can stay much harder and fuck a lot longer nowadays... it actually takes A LOT of effort and concentration on my behalf to make myself go. But again, I have so many drugs in my system (700 mg test/wk, HCG, viagra) that its difficult to pinpoint whats the cause behind it all. Maybe I'm just getting better at it in general lol

How about you, how has your shit changed since getting on shit?

Oh yeah, my real life Viagra source might be dwindling, so I might try some of this online shit. We'll see, I'll post updates of course

 

[Bulldog2103]

Yeah man, i strongly advise that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be run from beginning through post cycle therapy (pct). It's not cool to have your balls shrivel. My volume isn't as good as pre-cycle so there has been a noticeable impact there which I don't like. But as far as erection hardness and duration, those have all improved significantly. I'm sporting wood pretty much all through the night and during the day I get stiff if the wind blows so that's been a nice upgrade. Good thing I have a couple of friends to call because if I had a girlfriend i'm sure she'd be pushing me away due to soreness or chafing at this point.

Like you though, I have been able to fuck longer and maintain a rock-like hardness through the entirety. Before it would soften a little at times but now it is performing optimally. I'll have to experiment with viagra one of these days, how long before lift-off with that stuff? Also, my ejaculate has a stronger more potent smell, you got anything like that? It's as if it's more concentrated.

 

[MN87]

Hahaha no I have not noticed any new smells or anything like that. Um, I want to say that it takes about 20-30 minutes to start feeling warm in the face and start looking flush... thats when you know its kicking in. I guess ideal effects take place any amount of time after that.

I feel like it stays active for a good few/handful of hours after that, at varying degrees and whatnot, depending on how much you took. It doesn't REALLY get me instantly 100% hard, moreso like a solid semi, but it makes it more excitable and more responsive to stimulation I feel

 

[MN87]

Just bought prami from Man Power. Am honestly not at all concerned about tren/prolactin sides so I'm just gonna start dosing at .125 as per this article.

Pramipexole and prolactin suppression: prevention vs. treatment dosing

Apparently there are benefits to be derived from higher doses but I can look into that later, I have other stuff to research at the moment. Curious about the libido bolstering effects.

Man, I've bought tons of shit for this cycle that I hadn't originally imagined that I would. Probably not done yet... gonna see how I like MP and go from there. Really interested in getting some toremefine for post cycle therapy (pct) and finding a reliable generic online viagra source, so, yeah.

Hey Bulldog, how do you 'mega-dose' your B-6 for prolactin sides?