Test prop 100mg, 150mg, or 200mg WK

As I've found out, you can only utilize so much gear. Think of it like androgen receptors are parking spots in a parking lot, theres only so many places to fill. Any extra above the X amount goes to waste, PERIOD! However over time doing cycles, you can increase the number of ARs meaning you can then utilize more juice but that takes like years and years. As RJH90210 always says, diet and training variations are always the best way to pack it on while keeping it trim regardless of specific goals. More test is probably just a waste of money and good juice
 
You are telling me personal experience is the best learning right? Well i am telling you from my own experience that i respond well to higher dosages of test and other compounds, i dont know what it is.

RJ-Since you are the one that i am butting heads with, why not you set up a burst cycle for me with test prop for 6 weeks then. I would love to hear your side of the story in regards to burst cycling, rather then the reg old 16 week cycles, that are becoming a thing of the past.
 
You are telling me personal experience is the best learning right? Well i am telling you from my own experience that i respond well to higher dosages of test and other compounds, i dont know what it is.

of course you're responding well Animal... you doing steroids. What I'm saying is you don't need that much gear. You are relying on the gear and not your training and diet.

RJ-Since you are the one that i am butting heads with, why not you set up a burst cycle for me with test prop for 6 weeks then. I would love to hear your side of the story in regards to burst cycling, rather then the reg old 16 week cycles, that are becoming a thing of the past.

And the only reason we are 'butting heads' is because you won't listen. More gear doesn't always mean more gains. And if it does, its because you relied on the gear and not the diet and training. Shit, look at most pros 10 years later. You think they stay that big forever? Fuck no they don't. You know why? Because they rely on the gear. Its not because they quit working out, etc. Its because they aren't doing a million grams a week of shit and their bodies have reverted back to a previous comfortable size via homeostasis.

And how are 16 week cycles becoming a thing of the past? Why does everyone want to fix what ain't broken.

Eat food and train hard and you will grow. Add gear and you will grow more. But you have to keep tweaking the first two or the gains will either stop or be based off the gear, and not diet and training.

I'm not gonna give you a burst cycle, whatever the fuck that is, because you don't need it.

I wish we lived next door to each other, because i would do half of whatever cycle you chose, and in a years time of no cycling after that, i guarantee you I would hold more of those gains than you. You know how I know that??? because you are relying on the fucking gear.

ok, I'm done. my head hurts.
 
My question to be more direct, instead of naming my own dosages, would be for someone to suggest a 6-7 week BLAST or BURST cycle on test prop.


Please only answer if you actually understand the concept of a burst cycle, priming, etc.

i was thinking of starting at:
100mg/Ed week 1-2
150mg/ED week 3-4
200mg/ED week 5-6/7
 
My question to be more direct, instead of naming my own dosages, would be for someone to suggest a 6-7 week BLAST or BURST cycle on test prop.


Please only answer if you actually understand the concept of a burst cycle, priming, etc.

i was thinking of starting at:
100mg/Ed week 1-2
150mg/ED week 3-4
200mg/ED week 5-6/7

since you don't believe me, or anyone else for that matter, why don't you explain why you think burst cycles are good. In your own words. Because I have read the articles. Especially Markus's. But again, pros RELY on gear.

Unless you wanna do that, please explain. Then explain how, if burst cycles work to add muscle faster, how you plan on combatting homeostasis.
 
of course you're responding well Animal... you doing steroids. What I'm saying is you don't need that much gear. You are relying on the gear and not your training and diet.



And the only reason we are 'butting heads' is because you won't listen. More gear doesn't always mean more gains. And if it does, its because you relied on the gear and not the diet and training. Shit, look at most pros 10 years later. You think they stay that big forever? Fuck no they don't. You know why? Because they rely on the gear. Its not because they quit working out, etc. Its because they aren't doing a million grams a week of shit and their bodies have reverted back to a previous comfortable size via homeostasis.

And how are 16 week cycles becoming a thing of the past? Why does everyone want to fix what ain't broken.

Eat food and train hard and you will grow. Add gear and you will grow more. But you have to keep tweaking the first two or the gains will either stop or be based off the gear, and not diet and training.

I'm not gonna give you a burst cycle, whatever the fuck that is, because you don't need it.

I wish we lived next door to each other, because i would do half of whatever cycle you chose, and in a years time of no cycling after that, i guarantee you I would hold more of those gains than you. You know how I know that??? because you are relying on the fucking gear.

ok, I'm done. my head hurts.



I just find it weird that you are all hung up on relying on the gear, when in reality, you wouldnt make HALF the gains you have withouth juice at all RJ. Even you are a victim of relying on the juice. Why juice at all if your routine and diet are so spectacular. Your statements are logically contradicting. Any why do you come off so bity in all your posts, calm the fuck down.


This is a forum for learning, not for you to bang on your keyboard an get all mad cause youre all trenned out.

Relax, cause you know what, you dont live next to me, and from the avatar you have, im a decent amount bigger than you, so dont attack people on their diet and workout when you have no idea what it is.

The point of a burst cycle is to only suppress your natty levels for a short period of time, you do a large dosage during the cycle, but only for a short amount of time, constantly sending signals to the HPTA receptors every 6 weeks instead of after a long 14-16 week cycle that is a pretty decent amount of gear like 500-750mg for that whole time.

It has been proven to allow greater recovery, thus keeping more gains. I think you rely on your personal experiences a lot RJ, thats great, so do i, but EVERYONE is DIFFERENT, thus why we look to science as these controlled tests actually are used on a wide range of people and thus can see a lot of peoples reactions.

and when you bring up pros, they are bigger than all of us, and for a fact the amount of gear correlates to their size. So does slin, hgh, etc, but they run higher dosages than norm people. Ever think that perhaps some people want to do something similar, not as extreme, but not normal like the lower mg cycles.

Your arguement makes no sense in the fact that when you pump test into the body from an exogenous source, it is higher than your natty levels, the higher they get the bigger you get. PEROID. Im not saying you will gain 25lbs every cycle, but you will gain more on a 600mg cycle than a 300mg cycle like the sticky on this site says. Not basing this off the sticky on this site, but just so you know.
 
I just find it weird that you are all hung up on relying on the gear, when in reality, you wouldnt make HALF the gains you have withouth juice at all RJ. Even you are a victim of relying on the juice. Why juice at all if your routine and diet are so spectacular. Your statements are logically contradicting. Any why do you come off so bity in all your posts, calm the fuck down.


This is a forum for learning, not for you to bang on your keyboard an get all mad cause youre all trenned out.

Relax, cause you know what, you dont live next to me, and from the avatar you have, im a decent amount bigger than you, so dont attack people on their diet and workout when you have no idea what it is.

The point of a burst cycle is to only suppress your natty levels for a short period of time, you do a large dosage during the cycle, but only for a short amount of time, constantly sending signals to the HPTA receptors every 6 weeks instead of after a long 14-16 week cycle that is a pretty decent amount of gear like 500-750mg for that whole time.

It has been proven to allow greater recovery, thus keeping more gains. I think you rely on your personal experiences a lot RJ, thats great, so do i, but EVERYONE is DIFFERENT, thus why we look to science as these controlled tests actually are used on a wide range of people and thus can see a lot of peoples reactions.

and when you bring up pros, they are bigger than all of us, and for a fact the amount of gear correlates to their size. So does slin, hgh, etc, but they run higher dosages than norm people. Ever think that perhaps some people want to do something similar, not as extreme, but not normal like the lower mg cycles.

Your arguement makes no sense in the fact that when you pump test into the body from an exogenous source, it is higher than your natty levels, the higher they get the bigger you get. PEROID. Im not saying you will gain 25lbs every cycle, but you will gain more on a 600mg cycle than a 300mg cycle like the sticky on this site says. Not basing this off the sticky on this site, but just so you know.

first of all, im not mad, i'm trying to get you to understand my point. Like i said above, what i mean by relying on gear is just that. Pros rely on gear for the massive gains. that is why they lose most of that size when they stop competing.

I didn't ever rely on gear, and that is why, 4 years later, i still hold all my muscle that i had back then. Was i ever as big as a pro? No. But if i ever did, i would expect to lose those gains because the only way to get them is to rely on gear.

I take nothing on this site personally. I used that neighbor thing as an example cause you weren't getting my point. Which aren't contradictory. You are seeing them that why by taking my words out of context.

Again, i don't care what you do, just trying to get you to see another angle.
 
16 week I would use the prop to open and close the cycle and run a longer ester like enanthate.
But running prop for 16 weeks is a whole lot of pinning that really is unnecessary.
 
Not that my opinion matters on the given topic and if what I'm about to say detracts from the topic, I apologize, but even more than what there is to be learned regarding a burst or blast or all things related, I think even more can be learned about personal interaction when a topic of discussion reaches a bit of a boiling point. It's interesting to sit back sometimes and just "learn" from some of the guys on here that are really well versed on "taking it to the bridge", yet at the same time have the self restraint to not jump off. It's very impressive to me, in many cases.
 
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Not that my opinion matters on the given topic and if what I'm about to detracts from the topic, I apologize, but even more than what there is to be learned regarding a burst or blast or all things related, I think even more can be learned about personal interaction when a topic of discussion reaches a bit of a boiling point. It's interesting to sit back sometimes and just "learn" from some of the guys on here that are really well versed on "taking it to the bridge", yet at the same time have the self restraint to not jump off. It's very impressive to me, in many cases.

haha, well people get heated, but its the internet, if you threaten someone on the internet, youre an idiot.

All boils down to the point that these forums are for learning, not telling someone what is exactly right, because you and i are not a doctor. Yes it goes on experience from yourself and other users, but people should bite each others heads off, because in real life, you wouldnt do that to a person either, so no reason to act like a jack off online.


i dont mind pinning, so a 16 week prop isnt a big deal to me. I dont like the longer esters, i bloat up quite a bit, dont really want to be a moon face anymore. Plus i homebrew and dont have enth, just prop.
 
i dont mind pinning, so a 16 week prop isnt a big deal to me. I dont like the longer esters, i bloat up quite a bit, dont really want to be a moon face anymore. Plus i homebrew and dont have enth, just prop.

Ok I dont mind pinning either.I did eod for 4 months I was saying it just is unnecessary.
So Ill reverse my thinking for you what is your reasoning for this planned "burst"cycle?
Why do you chose such short time at high doses?
You brew so its not about gear or money.
And if you have the capability to brew prop why not brew a longer ester and just kick sart with the prop?
Water retention can be eliminatred by diet and water intake and if necessary the use of an AI
 
I like what Drew is talking about - kick starting the cycle with prop.

I'm going to take the advise that Det has explained before - and that is ending the cycle with prop - so you can reduce the time before starting pct.

Now this might not be proper - but I'd rather extend the cycle and work on a faster recovery in-between cycles = less time off cycles ... "oops did I say that out loud!" :dunno:
 
Ok I dont mind pinning either.I did eod for 4 months I was saying it just is unnecessary.
So Ill reverse my thinking for you what is your reasoning for this planned "burst"cycle?
Why do you chose such short time at high doses?
You brew so its not about gear or money.
And if you have the capability to brew prop why not brew a longer ester and just kick sart with the prop?
Water retention can be eliminatred by diet and water intake and if necessary the use of an AI

I dont do long esters, i just dont like them. I dont really see the point in not doing a test ester that has less real test mg per mg than the other. Prop is more powerful than enth, etc.

Reasoning behind doing a burst would be to make shut down less severe compared to having my levels shut down for 16 weeks, they would only be shut down for 6-8 weeks. I understand it goes against the norm, but its been proven to work if done correctly.

I am simply asking a question as to if anyone else has had experience with this. yes i understand the homeostasis factor in this whole matter, makes complete sense. But if diet is kept the same if not better than when on cycle and workouts are toned down a tad to preserve some calories and spare injuries, PCT is done correctly, you shouldnt loose a lot of the gains made. It would make more sense that it would take longer to recover from having you hpta hammered for 16 weeks than 6-8 weeks.

I am open to still doing a 16 week cycle, i just think there is less damage done in a shorter cycle, as well as more gains possible. You know that with shorter esters the best gains are between week 2-6, with long is 5-9. Why keep punishing your body for an additional 7 weeks if you arent gaining a lot? there is no logical reason, other than homeostasis. I believe that the homeostasis factor can be halted by proper diet, post cycle therapy (pct), workout, and some igf-1 after the cycle.

Any thoughts?
 
I like what Drew is talking about - kick starting the cycle with prop.

I'm going to take the advise that Det has explained before - and that is ending the cycle with prop - so you can reduce the time before starting pct.

Now this might not be proper - but I'd rather extend the cycle and work on a faster recovery in-between cycles = less time off cycles ... "oops did I say that out loud!" :dunno:

bingo
Doing a 16 weeker or longer would def benefit with kick starting and ending with a short ester.
That stasis period when using longer esters would be a much better plan of action using a short ester such as prop/ace/pp to lead right in to pct in hrs rather days or weeks.
I actually would recommend all cycles to be closed with a short ester,it just makes more sense.
All though it does nothing to reduce suppression the transition would be smoother and timing of pct would be more accurate.
 
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