THE TRUTH about 70's steroid doses from a 70's pro

[Realgains]

Okay guys....I used to think that the pro's of the 70's used little gear....in fact I made posts about that on Elite ...ask Nelson Montana and others. I was convinced that they used low doses as I had read so much about the so called doses of the day.

DISCOVERING THE TRUTH

I have fairly recently trained down in Florida with top pro of the 70's and early 80's CASEY VIATOR.

I asked him directly about steroid use in the 70's and this is what he had to say.... and I quote...

"Don't let anyone fool you about our low doses. We were just as reckless with steroid use as they are today."

I asked him when the big doses started....

" The big doses started around 1974 and yes we were all right on top of it". Yes we ALL used GH back then and it was from real cadavers. The GH we all used was called CRESCORMIN and nobody was going to morgs to get it".

I wanted an example and I told him about what I heard my mentor, and his friend and former training partner, Mike Mentzer used...... only 400 of deca/week and 30 of d-bol/day.

CASEY LAUGHED and then said this...." Mentzer used up to 2.5 grams of deca a week, God knows how much primobolin acetate, along with d-bol and growth, so as I said don't be fooled about our low doses as we were just as reckless as theses guys are today.

I "left it at that" and didn't question him about HIS specific gear use because he really doesn't like to talk about steroids and is very much against their use in bodybuilding.....he is ashamed of his past gear use bro's but is perfectly aware that it allowed him to compete at a very high level and attain to success as one of the biggest and strongest form 73-83.

BTW....he is still very strong and big although a little pudgy

There you have it bro...right from the "horses mouth"

RG

 

[JohnnyB]

Dayum

JohnnyB

 

[stonecold54]

holy shit-2.5 grams of deca. I guess he wasn't prone to gyno. LOL I still think mentzer had one of the best classical physiques. nice post.

 

[02gixxersix]

Hahahaha I knew it. Those guys look awesome and without all the training and diet knowledge we have today.

 

[joltan]

wow, thanks realgains.

 

[JohnnyB]

Hahahaha I knew it. Those guys look awesome and without all the training and diet knowledge we have today.

Do you mean you knew they were using high doses?

Even if they were it doesn't make me want to go out and do a 2 gram or more cycle. I've done 3 and haven't broke the gram plain yet with my 4th I'm still not braking it or going over 500mg of test.

JohnnyB

 

[xtinct]

I never understood why so many people believe all that BS about the supposedly low doses -- it just never made any sense. Those guys wanted to win just as much as the guys today, and once you discover how much of a difference gear can make, why wouldn't they push it as far as possible?

 

[HGH Man]

I heard that HGH or growth was'nt used by anybody until the 80's . Now someone that's dead is telling us it was around ? I find this all an amusing talltail. Maybe not 74 but 84 I might believe it. I think young body builders need to hear something positive.

 

[Realgains]

I heard that HGH or growth was'nt used by anybody until the 80's . Now someone that's dead is telling us it was around ? I find this all an amusing talltail. Maybe not 74 but 84 I might believe it. I think young body builders need to hear something positive.

WHAT....

Casey Viator is alive and well bro.

Growth has been around a long time bro...they used to suck it out of cadavers. The synthetic stuff is relatively new.

RG

 

[02gixxersix]

Do you mean you knew they were using high doses?

Even if they were it doesn't make me want to go out and do a 2 gram or more cycle. I've done 3 and haven't broke the gram plain yet with my 4th I'm still not braking it or going over 500mg of test.

JohnnyB

No I agree with you 100%. I don't massive doses are a good idea either. However I knew that the rumors of them using 200mgs of deca and 2 dbols a day were false. Well I won;t say I "knew" but I had a pretty good idea as I'm sure most did.

 

[Powerhouse9]

You can't handle the truth, and it will never full be known.

 

[pipes]

I read an interview with Sergio olivia in musclemag. He stated that he had a bowl of orals (winny, dbol, a-bomb) sitting on his table and that he and the boys would eat them like candy.

 

[gator_mclusky]

good read bro.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I read an interview with Sergio olivia in musclemag. He stated that he had a bowl of orals (winny, dbol, a-bomb) sitting on his table and that he and the boys would eat them like candy.

If you're referring to the interview in MuscleMag with Ron Harris, I have that right in front of me and I don't see that statement anywhere.


What people fail to realize here is the time line. Drug use exploded in the mid-seventies, with guys like Viator among the renegades to up the ante. (Which always made me laugh when Mentzer pointed to Viators success as a testiment to Heavy Duty training. What a joke.) What Scott and Draper and Pearl and Poole and took was a fraction of what they were using just a few years later -- which is why the Mr. Olympia winner went form 205 to 250 within that time.

Prior to 1970, the approach to drugs was very cautious, plus, there weren't many drugs around. D-bol was about it. In my post "Okay, here it is" I speak about my inerview with 1967 Mr. America Don Howorth and his cycle was 10 mgs of D-bol a day. People find this hard to believe yet at the same time they can't understand how nobody had gyno without ant-e's. Believe me, the dosages were that low. But they trained like animals and ate an insane amount of fat. That was the secret.

Realize also, the genetically superior will always be the ones who get the most attention. People think they can make up for it with more drugs. Think again. If you haven't got it, you haven't got it. That's why we see guys using a gram a week who look like nothing. Maybe they should try working harder. Maybe drugs should be the last resort instead of the first. Or maybe we have to accept the fact that there are too many among us who never learned how to train and won't commit to a diet necessary to grow.

 

[Bimmer]

great read! I wonder if the doses will continue to grow. Imagine in 20 yrs some cut 375 pound freak would look back and wonder how we got away with this little gear.

 

[Golgo13]

(Which always made me laugh when Mentzer pointed to Viators success as a testiment to Heavy Duty training. What a joke.)

I think you need to re-read some books, Mike Mentzer made a comparison to Casey's ability to regain mass that he previously had to Arnolds ability on the same time scale... Two athletes who were both using steroids, comparing their ability to regain lean body mass. One athlete used a volume approach to training, (that was Arnold) and the other was Casey who used a higher intensity, lower volume approach. Casey won the contest hands down...

One must keep in mind that this comparison was omitted from the later work of Mentzer because he was developing his training principals primarily for natural athletes. The entire point of Mentzer's principals was to identify an individuals recovery ability... This is an almost impossible task for the steriod enhanced athlete because recovery ability is all over the place.

 

[iron]

i tihnk its funny how everytime someone says pros back then used a very small amount, people will deny and call it lies; however, as soon as 1 person says that the pros used a ton then everyone will shout off that they knew it.

 

[Insane_Man]

I wouldn't say that top guys of today, like Coleman have particularly advanced training. Anyone seen his video? He basically goes up the racks.

Look at BBs from the pre-steroid era, like Steve Reeves. This guy did a full vbody workout 3 times a week from what I hear. Similar frequency to an HST workout. HST is the cutting edge, whether you want to believe it or not. Based on the most modern research into hypertrophy, not just anecdotal evidence, or soviet strength training research.

And they didn't even start doing tests with growth until the early 80's. So how did bodybuilders get it? Maybe Arnold hooked 'em up???

Most BBs back then were a lot smaller than today. Next thing you know, someone's gonna say Frank Zane was pumping 3 g ED LOL

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think you need to re-read some books, Mike Mentzer made a comparison to Casey's ability to regain mass that he previously had to Arnolds ability on the same time scale... Two athletes who were both using steroids, comparing their ability to regain lean body mass. One athlete used a volume approach to training, (that was Arnold) and the other was Casey who used a higher intensity, lower volume approach. Casey won the contest hands down...

One must keep in mind that this comparison was omitted from the later work of Mentzer because he was developing his training principals primarily for natural athletes. The entire point of Mentzer's principals was to identify an individuals recovery ability... This is an almost impossible task for the steriod enhanced athlete because recovery ability is all over the place.

Mike Mentzer was a loon. And thats not an opinion. It'a a certifiable fact. He'd been in and out of psychiartric hospitals a good portion of his later life diagnosed as clinically schizophrenic. Yes he was smart. Yes he was educated. Yes, he was a great bodybuilder. But he was delusional and his whole Heavy Duty shtick was just a gimmick to make money.

Both he and Casey used high volume for a good portion of their career and Casey was already juicing when Mike took him on.

I also would think anyone should question the motives of a guy who advocates 20 minutes of training a week is all you need yet even with his great genetics he couldn't get himself into decent shape.

 

[kube]

HST is the cutting edge, whether you want to believe it or not. Based on the most modern research into hypertrophy, not just anecdotal evidence, or soviet strength training research.

i agree.