well im using tren ace @ 100mgs ED my supplier came out with thhis new tren base and i must say i will ONLY use it pre work out , No pip whatsoever just burned from the alcohol content going in, It was the best workout ive had in a long time im actually sore today. I am in love. No sides but i dont experience many sides from tren higher intensity in the gym, redness,sweaty and vivid dreams. over the years with the old fina ive leaned to use my aggression properly. My stamina was amazing yesterday i felt as if i could lift all day but my wife called for dinner lol. My lifts felt light so i kept adding weight but i dont like to go to heavy on my joints. Today i will inject 50mgs (1ml) 1hr before working shoulders and back and deads, i will post how i feel tomorrow morning. thanks to whom replied