Tren . What do you guys personally notice/get from it

[THE-DET-OAK]

I wouldnt say anything shuts you down more than anything else, shut down is shut down. 19nor compounds DO shut you down faster though.

It does. No doubts over here brother Lots of research to back it up too.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Testosterone has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 100/100. Tren is 10x in both categories.

 

[Southernfish]

It does. No doubts over here brother Lots of research to back it up too.

Research ia good but, if youre shut down then youre shut down. If were talking about a difference of .01 on either an LH of FSH reading then 'more shutdown' might be true. Every AAS shuts you down, period. Some do it quicker, but you cant really say some shut you down more. What if we have a subject dead in the water at .00 on both LH and FSH and hes not taking Tren. If he then takes Tren is he going to be more shut down?

Testosterone has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 100/100. Tren is 10x in both categories.

Trens ratio is 500:500. Not 1000:1000.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

OUCH sorry about the technicality.

Been a while I have forgotten more than most of the young bucks know. Even though it is 500 it has 10x the affinity to the androgen receptor.

So if your argument has any fruit riddle me this:

In 2011 they tested 1,000 Asian men who took depot test for like 30 months. NONE were fertile except like 2.

But in 1972 when they did it on caucasian men it was only 70% effective? And they had to add doses of nandrolone to fully suppress them?

We can talk rhetoric all day, but lab work, studies and my extensive experience prove otherwise.

 

[Southernfish]

OUCH sorry about the technicality.

Been a while I have forgotten more than most of the young bucks know. Even though it is 500 it has 10x the affinity to the androgen receptor.

So if your argument has any fruit riddle me this:

In 2011 they tested 1,000 Asian men who took depot test for like 30 months. NONE were fertile except like 2.

But in 1972 when they did it on caucasian men it was only 70% effective? And they had to add doses of nandrolone to fully suppress them?

We can talk rhetoric all day, but lab work, studies and my extensive experience prove otherwise.

I couldnt answer unless I was able to see the study.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Check it out they are all over this forum. We have had these conversations about 100 times over the last 7 years.

I think your only considering TT, LH and FSH yet the HPGA is far more complex than that.

 

[DinoTexas]

I'm running 400pw of Tren Ace now with TRT dose of Test. I'm on week 6 and I'm noticeably bigger, more full, lower in fat, irritable most days, hot as hell at random times, some sleeplessness but not bad. Stuff is amazing, but it is noticeable on its effects on your mind. You need to manage that

 

[Megatron28]

I wouldnt say anything shuts you down more than anything else, shut down is shut down. 19nor compounds DO shut you down faster though.

I am going to quote my friend MrRippedZilla from his Thread of Knowledge sticky.

Why do people always say that 19-nors are more suppressive?

19 nors such as nandrolone tend to be more suppressive for a few reasons.

Most of us know that to be shut down you need to inhibit LH & FSH release.

Some compounds, like var & masteron, do this only by directly binding to the androgen receptor, which inhibits LH & FSH via suppressed GnRH release from the hypothalomus.

Now, 19-nors have the added suppression coming from estrogenic & progestogenic activity, which also inhibits LH & FSH by directly downregulating GnRH receptors on the pitiuary.

Therefore, compounds like nandrolone are more suppressive because they bind to the AR & PR to become suppressive through different mechanisms.

The same level of suppression will apply to test and other aromatizing steroids since they bind to the AR & ER. However, we can counter this through AIs like arimidex.

Unfortunately, their is no way to block progestin based compounds like nandrolone from activating the PR - thats why you hear horror stories & have "harder" suppression.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/674832-rippedzilla-s-thread-knowledge.html

 

[Southernfish]

I am going to quote my friend MrRippedZilla from his Thread of Knowledge sticky.



http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/674832-rippedzilla-s-thread-knowledge.html

Great info as always from a mutual friend and it cause me to start reading.

A random thought on the subject and Im just spit ballin. Could a GnRH antagonist be of any use during a cycle that includes Tren? LH and FSH are already shut down. If one was to include a GnRH antagonist alongside HCG DURING the cycle would it make the following Nolvadex/Clomid treatment more effetive if Tren does in fact downregulate GnRH receptors?

Thoughts?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Like Triptorelin? That would just make it even worse. If there is any compound that is permanently suppressive that may be one of them.

 

[Southernfish]

Like Triptorelin? That would just make it even worse. If there is any compound that is permanently suppressive that may be one of them.

No, Triptorelin is a GnRH agonist. Im talking about an antagonist, which would, according to what Ive read, temporarily upregulate GnRH receptors.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I thought you originally said agonist I thought I double checked

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Its not just about that though, its about testosterone and estrogen derivative ratios, that mainly do not bounce right back, could take years depending on lots of factors.

 

[darkwing86]

interesting thoughts

 

[whoremoan]

That's wild.. I experienced a much tamer animal than what most have posted about.

Yes, I sweat a lot on it. I had paranoia. I was always very warm. I was always hungry. I dreamt quite vividly. But, never experienced Lethargy, or mental sluggishness of any kind either.

Was always go, go, go. Developed strength about as quickly as I could adjust my Hypertrophy program to be a hypertrophy program.. every workout I could do more reps of the weight used previously. Every other workout I'd increase weight. Nearly lost all of my problem area fat without a lick of cardio (though I was running around at work for 8-10hrs a day)..

But never had an issue that would make me think twice about doing it again. Perhaps next time around it'll be different..

me too, ive ran different labs and each one i kept getting the exact same sides,, night sweats (not enough soak a shirt), paranaoia (which was fun in itself as i knew it was just the hormone) and the tren cough- which wasnt as nearly as bad as i thought, at no point did i feel like i was going to die or have a heart attack as so many claim... the worst side by far was the heart burn or acid reflux... but that was maybe due to eating shit food! (it also gave me cravings for sweet food ??)

the strength though is through the roof and the muscle growth is un comparable

either every lab ive tried is bunk tren or it really doesnt negatively effect me as bad as others ... its all in our head, if you have no self control you should maybe just keep away from EVERYTHING and EVERYONE

 

[Onk]

Check it out they are all over this forum. We have had these conversations about 100 times over the last 7 years.

I think your only considering TT, LH and FSH yet the HPGA is far more complex than that.

rather than trying to change the subject, can you post a link to this study please?

If it's been talked about 100s of times...hopefully you can find it as googling, checking pubmed research sites and doing a forum search didn't give me any results.

Though, the study you vaguely referred to could be non-existent as your comments do convey heavy undertones of bullshit...

 

[Southernfish]

Its not just about that though, its about testosterone and estrogen derivative ratios, that mainly do not bounce right back, could take years depending on lots of factors.

Seems like a quite a vauge statement. Would be nice to hear your thoughts on the subject, backed up with some facts if we cpuld possibly run Tren a better way then we have been allowing for a smoother recovery process ie; adding previously unused (for the most part) ancillaries

Testosterone and estrogen derivative ratios? I wouldnt imagine everyone here knows what that it. Would be great for some of the ones who dont know if you could explain what that is and why thats what its all about.

We also never got your thoughts on why Tren shuts you down the hardest. It is, in fact, its ability to downregulate the GnRH receptors?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

rather than trying to change the subject, can you post a link to this study please?

If it's been talked about 100s of times...hopefully you can find it as googling, checking pubmed research sites and doing a forum search didn't give me any results.

Though, the study you vaguely referred to could be non-existent as your comments do convey heavy undertones of bullshit...

hahaha Why don't you look it up yourself you faqing newb.

If you could even comprehend what I have posted in this thread you will see what I said has already been substantiated, not that i care though.

Newbs like you fail to realize I have had these conversations MANY times with guys that have been around 20 or 30 years longer than you, I don't need to substantiate my posts. If you think I am wrong feel free to prove it.

Both studies I mentioned are out there, thank you.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Seems like a quite a vauge statement.

Its not a vague statement at all and if you cant comprehend what I said maybe you should stop questioning me?

lol you don't even know what a testosterone derivative is lol

For the last time its because of derivative ratios!!!! Just like the info Megatron posted says!!

Next time maybe you wont be so condescending and I would be more than happy to point you in the right direction.

 

[Southernfish]

Its not a vague statement at all and if you cant comprehend what I said maybe you should stop questioning me?

lol you don't even know what a testosterone derivative is lol

For the last time its because of derivative ratios!!!! Just like the info Megatron posted says!!

Next time maybe you wont be so condescending and I would be more than happy to point you in the right direction.

Thats what I thought, lol.