Cobra Strike
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I would just mix it with 1ml bro...that way your injecting less volume...not a big deal though
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I would just mix it with 1ml bro...that way your injecting less volume...not a big deal though
joei rock
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yeah i was thinking the same thing .. i havent gotten any irritation from the hgh subQ injects but its only a .5ml... so i will stick with that...
there was someone who mentioned injecting the trip IM. anyone else doing this ? or is it supposed to be subQ...
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most compounds that can be injected IM can be injected subq.....absorptions rates just vary...
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so how did you lay it out? trip then what?
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Ive been thinking alot about the best way to run this compound. the reason why clomid is different than Nolva is because it acts lik an estrogen at the pituitary. so this allows clomid to stimulate GNRH. Nolva does not act like an estrogen at the pituitary.
Now I dont think we should change how we do it much at all. we should still run our HCG the way we did, since there is some evidence that it up regulates GNRHR, basically the receptor for GNRH, and for the other obvious reasons.
So we know GNRH is important because it get's received by the pituitary. Once this happens the pituitary will send out FSH and LH. Afterall thats basically what LH and FSH are made out of.
so I think we should simply use TRIP like we use our clomid, same timing. Nolva will serve the purpose better than clomid for the remaining things we need from a SERM. The trip will take care of the GNRH stimulation
Now I dont think we should change how we do it much at all. we should still run our HCG the way we did, since there is some evidence that it up regulates GNRHR, basically the receptor for GNRH, and for the other obvious reasons.
So we know GNRH is important because it get's received by the pituitary. Once this happens the pituitary will send out FSH and LH. Afterall thats basically what LH and FSH are made out of.
so I think we should simply use TRIP like we use our clomid, same timing. Nolva will serve the purpose better than clomid for the remaining things we need from a SERM. The trip will take care of the GNRH stimulation
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nope looks good, but how long is it active for? im trying to think if it would be suppressive and i dont think it would be, im thinking run it for a couple weeks no? still havent did the research on it yet, just trying to gather my thoughts first. but if it stimulates GNRH, shit we would want that to go on for a while so our leydig cells could re-sensitize.
besides like i said, thats basically what clomid does, stimulates GNRH
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
thats weird, it actually suprresses LH and FSH i guess, well in that case i would still run both clomid and nolva
shit back to the drawing board, scratch what i said, it is suppressive. im gonna read on it tonight.
shit back to the drawing board, scratch what i said, it is suppressive. im gonna read on it tonight.
Yeah it's just one 100mcg dose. It's found to be just enough to stimulate lh and fsh. Any less is not effective and anymore would essentially be chemical castration because it would be suppressive. For some reason 100mcg just works out to be enough so hit that one shot then straight into serm use.
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here is where im confused, and need help getting to the bottom.
from the pharmaceutical websites im getting that, endogenous T producing male, T levels increase above baseline directly after injection, and return to baseline or below by the end of the second week.
so here^^^^ im thinking running SERM right after shot, may be wasteful. cause if your T is up, form trip, no need to stim LH and FSH cause neg loop would be inhibitory during this time period. right?
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stuff might sting: 4% get mild pain
skeleton pain: 12%
hot flush: 58%
^^^ those are just some things that stuck out out to me.
Hmm. Never heard anyone mention any sides just feeling of well being, elevated libido, and high energy. And I've followed guys who used trip only pct, trip before serms, and trip after finishing serm use and all reported recovery and feeling great.
I see your point and thinking this thru could make it most effective. Actually I think you are right it may be best to use it the day after last T inject then wait two weeks then start serms.
I see your point and thinking this thru could make it most effective. Actually I think you are right it may be best to use it the day after last T inject then wait two weeks then start serms.
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now you see where im going with this.
here is where im still confused on the post of studies you made.
here is what we got, and need to figure out:
"Bhasin et al demonstrate that "superactive analogues of gonadotrophin releasing hormone and testosterone, when administered together, synergistically inhibit gonadotrophin secretion and spermatogenesis in the rat."
"When applied over the short-term, GnRH (with or *without testosterone administered adjunctly) resulted in initial stimulation with progressive decline over time in LH, FSH, and testosterone levels to below baseline in approximately ten days:"
"Daily administration of both 10 and 100g of GnRH-A alone resulted in an early phase of stimulation followed by progressive decline in LH, FSH and testosterone to levels below baseline by day 10 despite continued administration of GnRH-A."
"Addition of testosterone to 10g of GnRH-A resulted in hormonal responses identical to those seen with GnRH-A alone."
" Combined treatment of testosterone with 100g of GnRH-A did not blunt the peak LH and FSH responses on day 2, but resulted in significantly lower LH (mean integrated responses: 187 ± 30 vs. 234 ± 42 mIU-d/ml) and FSH (mean integrated responses: 20·6 ± 3·3 vs. 32·8 ± 4·2 mIU-d/ml) responses from days 3 to 11. By day 11, all subjects receiving combined treatment (GnRH-A 100g+testosterone oenanthate) had undetectable serum FSH levels...."
so here is what im thinking, and i like posting this cause others can think of things im not seeing.
so i got that while taking it without T its not as suppresive, but still suppressive since levels fell. then again did they fall well below? or just right there. its say with or without T they fell below baseline.
I got that taking it with T is more suppressive, and LH and FSH showed decline begining on day 3.
so my question is, either way would it be wise to run nolva after?, or maybe even during to inhibit neg feedback loop. although nolva would not begin to increase LH until T levels fell off.
another thing im getting is that it might be wise to stay away from clomid while on trip, since chemical castration is seen due to over stimulation of the pituitary, and clomid may stimulate pituitary.
also HCG stimulates pituitary, so maybe we need to be careful there.
maybe trip alone is the way to go? I cant see this though cause it makes me feel that its suppressive, so to me it sounds like a jumpstart. granted it could be such a good jumpstart people didnt "need" SERM afterward, but it is def seeming to me like it would be beneficial.
in the end if it is just jumpstart, it would seem to me to use it to replace "HCG blast"
it does say that combined trip with test resulted in undetectable levels of fsh and LH, so that cant be good! lol
its gonna take me a few days to give my honest opinion on what is best way to run it, but in reality it will boil down to what works best for people that used it.
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here is my last post for a lil while i do more research.
the keyword im getting everywhere is "transient increase in testosterone"
transient just means not perm
so 2 ways and i guess we will just have to sit on it til we decide which is better, whether it be through trial and error or what.
#1 take trip shot couple days. maybe week after last T shot, followed by nolva.
#2 wait 2 weeks, skip hcg blast, and then do trip shot, followed by nolva. <------ this seems best initially simply cause i dont think LE T clears within 2 weeks, more like 3-4 IMO.
since trip can over stim pituitary, and hcg stims pituitary, taking a break of HCG before trip is sounding like a good idea to me.
the keyword im getting everywhere is "transient increase in testosterone"
transient just means not perm
so 2 ways and i guess we will just have to sit on it til we decide which is better, whether it be through trial and error or what.
#1 take trip shot couple days. maybe week after last T shot, followed by nolva.
#2 wait 2 weeks, skip hcg blast, and then do trip shot, followed by nolva. <------ this seems best initially simply cause i dont think LE T clears within 2 weeks, more like 3-4 IMO.
since trip can over stim pituitary, and hcg stims pituitary, taking a break of HCG before trip is sounding like a good idea to me.
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Trelstar Depot (Triptorelin pamoate) Drug Information: User Reviews, Side Effects, Drug Interactions and Dosage at RxList
^^^ lot of good info there too. says men treated with this dropped their T levels to 50ng/dl by day 29. there is also tons of other info in there, about clearance and creatinine levels.
i think the lowest dose they take is like 3g or something, so it doesnt tell us too much
^^^ lot of good info there too. says men treated with this dropped their T levels to 50ng/dl by day 29. there is also tons of other info in there, about clearance and creatinine levels.
i think the lowest dose they take is like 3g or something, so it doesnt tell us too much
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This version is triptorelin acetate. Most of the studies I have found are a different version and I think use was measured in grams. My initial concern was it would help recover hpta then crash after a certain number of days and originally that's why I was waiting and following peoples use but it doesn't appear to have been the case. I'll see what else I can find one trip acetate.
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Well you guys just confused the hell out of me, as we know I was still suppressed after initial post cycle therapy (pct). So I re-run post cycle and it looked like this. Blasted Hcg, did trip and started nolva clomid immediately afterward. Hope that works.
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