Upping test from 250 to 400 mgs\week?

Madfuck

Madfuck

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Hi, guys.

Stats: 204 lbs, 12 % fat, 182 cm, Deadlift 1rm 400 lbs. (don`t know my other 1rm`s)

I`m currently on my first cycle.
I`m using 250 mgs\week of test cyp.(Diamond Pharma)

My fifth week is coming up on monday.
I haven`t noticed any drastic strenght gains yet,(Only slightly better results than training natural), I was expecting a little more to happen.
I know the shit is not fake, I`ve gained some waterweight plus I feel that my libido has increased slighlty.

My diet is in order (Clean diet, 500 calories above mainenance), and also my training is in order. My goal is muscle gain.

I`m thinking about upping the dose to 400 mgs\week.

Any thoughts?
 
Test doesnt kick in until 4-6 weeks, but your dose is a little on the low side so bumping it up too 400mgs is ok. And 500 calories above maintenance is not enough you should be aiming for at least 1000 above and thats minimum.
 
Really?, I thought it was supposed to kick in after 2-3 weeks.

1000 kcals over maintenance?, won`t that be a bit too, much? I`m trying to do a lean bulk.
 
Hey there,

I know I'm new here, so let me first start off by saying hello. Anyways, with regards to you only taking 250mg of Test a week, your body produces more than that naturally. I've never known anyone to really get gains or strength at such a lower level. IMO, I would be taking anywhere from 500 to 1000mgs a week of Test, depending on your previous experience with AAS. I'm not a guru, nor do I claim to be. But my ass has been a pin cushion for years, and I've tried lots of different combos.
 
johnnyjuice1981 said:
Hey there,
Anyways, with regards to you only taking 250mg of Test a week, your body produces more than that naturally
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Your body produces around 75mg/week, 250 is 3x more which is a lot already
I would never recommend more than 500mg/w for a first cycle..
 
g1234 said:
Your body produces around 75mg/week, 250 is 3x more which is a lot already
I would never recommend more than 500mg/w for a first cycle..
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True, I knew that before I started.
250 feels a bit mild though.
How about 250 test + 200 Deca per week instead of 400 mgs of test?
 
I did 250 EW for my first 2 cycles. Granted i did also do 200mg EW of Deca as well. But still, and I had grate results back then.I was prob around 25 or 26 Years old at that time...just saying...
 
bump it up to 350 -400 i would leave the deca out. and see how your body reacts to the high dose of test
 
johnnyjuice1981 said:
Hey there,

I know I'm new here, so let me first start off by saying hello. Anyways, with regards to you only taking 250mg of Test a week, your body produces more than that naturally. I've never known anyone to really get gains or strength at such a lower level. IMO, I would be taking anywhere from 500 to 1000mgs a week of Test, depending on your previous experience with AAS. I'm not a guru, nor do I claim to be. But my ass has been a pin cushion for years, and I've tried lots of different combos.
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YOU BODY DOSE NOT PRODUCE MORE THEN 250MG Every week!!! where do u get cockymamy bull shit like that!?!???


50mg-75mg every week if that for some slightly more.
reserch it and u will see thow im to lazy to serch and to post studys iv read.

i do think 300-400mg would be nicer and more worth while thow.

250 you should be at like 2-4X your natural amout and will help you gain a bit more if diet and work out is in check along with rest.

1000mg of test i feel rarly u should ever need. personally 500-750mg for many years should be enuff along with addidtions like deca, dbol,mast or tbol hear and there along the way.

any whay yes if you have enuff to still run it as long as u planned 400mg is a good dose to start at.

i hope u have PTC thow and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand.

how long do u plan to run this??
 
Madfuck said:
True, I knew that before I started.
250 feels a bit mild though.
How about 250 test + 200 Deca per week instead of 400 mgs of test?
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parsonally i feel this is a vary good cycle!
for a mild bulk and id like tbolwk1-5 with that.
but this is your fist cycle and id just do the test first
then
second say: 300mg test and 250mg deca
third
400mgtest-500mg, 300mg deca, 40mg tbol wk1-5

somthing like that.
at first cycle i think its better to try 1 at a time and work up.

just my thoughts.
 
If you take in more than what your body naturally produces you will surely see some gains.
If you read the profiles , it states basically that more you take, the more the gain, and more sides.
So its a trade off, faster/bigger gains more sides, slower gains less sides. You need to find the balance that would work for you.

There was a great thread that I cant seem to find anymore,It showed how long it took for a long ester in your blood to stay stable. It talked about front loading. Think it would have helped

BTW how old are you and how long have been training for?
 
Thanks for the replies.

I`ve been training for 4 years, pretty seriously the last 6-7 months and I`m 23 years old. was planning on cycling for 15 weeks.

Juiced Porkchop, I wasn`t planning on using Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or post cycle therapy (pct) since I`m on such a low dose and for a few other reasons..

From what I`ve heard and read the pct`s only postpones the regeneration of natural test after cycle.

Another reason is that tamoxifen is hard to come by around here, and the other pct`slike clomid has from what it seems pretty harsh sides.

But I`m willing to consider a post cycle therapy (pct) if I`m gonna up the dose

Do you guys think I should adjust the calories also? (doing 500 above maintenance as mentioned before, I`m aiming for a lean bulk).
 
Madfuck said:
yep, it`s only 250 mgs a week.
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Where did you get the idea that you don't need to run post cycle therapy (pct)? and where did you get "From what I`ve heard and read the pct`s only postpones the regeneration of natural test after cycle." WTF

You must run PCT, your doing a 15 week cycle for god's sake and even 250mg is going to shut you down. Get what you need for PCT!!

Fucking hell !! Crazy people !!!!
 
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zephyrdaz said:
Where did you get the idea that you don't need to run post cycle therapy (pct)? and where did you get "From what I`ve heard and read the pct`s only postpones the regeneration of natural test after cycle." WTF

You must run PCT, your doing a 15 week cycle for god's sake and even 250mg is going to shut you down. Get what you need for PCT!!

Fucking hell !! Crazy people !!!!
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This is where he explains where he got his info from.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/136249-general-questions-about-pct.html
 
and, 250mg is just not enough, your already shutdown, get the most out of the gear and run 500mg, 500 is in no way excessive
 
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