We Gotta Situation...

[MrCynical]

Ok 'Ology I have one for you.

Current Cycle:

Omnadren 250 - 750MG/WK(EO3)

Deca 300 - 450MG/WK(1/2CC,EO3)

4th week in and my stregth and aggression in the gym is steadily rising, gained near 6 solid pounds, the time is takes deca to reach full stregth is around 4 weeks as well for test. So I'm excited for the next 8 weeks to come.

Ok, the situation, my nips are starting to get poofy and "slightly" pointy instead of the flat round look. Uhh knots are at a minimum but can feel them approaching. Water Weight?! I've never had an issue with gyno so it has to be the omnadren.

I have Clomid Nolvadex and Proviron on hand. I'm thinking of Nolvadex and Proviron ED untill this issue resides. Doses and when throughout the day is my question. Thanks!

 

[cyto33]

Nolvadex just blocks estrogen. as soon as you stop it it will rebound on you. get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like adex or masin

 

[Teutonic]

...and I believe nolvadex and 19 nor s are not a good idea..can actually aggravate progesteron sides I believe..
Aromasine for aromat. test...
Prami or caber to help stave of progest. related side I believe..

 

[cyto33]

Yes your right good catch. No nolva with Deca

 

[RJ]

...and I believe nolvadex and 19 nor s are not a good idea..can actually aggravate progesteron sides I believe..
Aromasine for aromat. test...
Prami or caber to help stave of progest. related side I believe..

I have still yet to find any truth to that. Although Nolvadex won't do shit for Prog based gyno IMO.

What he needs to know is if he is getting gyno from the estrogen or the progesterone? Why do you think its GOTTA be the omnadrens? You can get water weight from anything? Most of the time that has to do with poor diet and lack of H2O.

Have you ever done deca alone? Did you have any sides?

Same question for the test product? Any sides?

Before we give you advice and you start taking shit you don't need, we need the answer to all these questions.

 

[Die$eL~Man]

ive always liked letro / fermara

 

[MrCynical]

I have still yet to find any truth to that. Although Nolvadex won't do shit for Prog based gyno IMO.

What he needs to know is if he is getting gyno from the estrogen or the progesterone? Why do you think its GOTTA be the omnadrens? You can get water weight from anything? Most of the time that has to do with poor diet and lack of H2O.

Have you ever done deca alone? Did you have any sides?

Same question for the test product? Any sides?

Before we give you advice and you start taking shit you don't need, we need the answer to all these questions.

never done deca alone, pointless and not a smart idea IMO

Test alone gave me small gyno nothing major, i drink H20 allll day its all i drink along with shakes and gatorade. My nips are just reallt puffy, not hard OR real sensative to to the touch.

How about clomid as its "similar" to nolvadex in terms of blocking estrogen

 

[epoxy]

Aromasin/Arimidex + Pramipexole is the best combo for blocking the majority of estrogen as well as preventing progesterone related sides from 19 nor's like deca and tren. Clomid, Nolvadex, completely POINTLESS while you are on cycle. you want an AROMATASE INHIBITOR not a SERM.

 

[cyto33]

clomid dont block estron. it will promot your own natty test production. but it for sure dont block estrogen.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

just a side note, it will take deca alot longer than 4 weeks to be at full strength, it took 7-8 for me.

 

[RJ]

never done deca alone, pointless and not a smart idea IMO

Test alone gave me small gyno nothing major, i drink H20 allll day its all i drink along with shakes and gatorade. My nips are just reallt puffy, not hard OR real sensative to to the touch.

How about clomid as its "similar" to nolvadex in terms of blocking estrogen

So therein lies your problem. You don't know what is causing the gyno. Could be the prog from the Deca. You need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) AND something like Caber. Never done prami but I don't like the idea of 'build-up' ancillaries so I can't comment on it.

 

[Die$eL~Man]

better to use npp than deca

 

[Mudge]

I'd vote for the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like everyone else.

 

[82nd_Fister]

Just dose up on letro and fucking destroy any estrogen in your body.

 

[RA64]

Start Letro, and caber, this should clear it up.

 

[Machine5150]

take .25mg of adex EOD and see how it works.. if still have side effects.. step it up to ED.. Do not over do it thhough, some estrogen in your body is a good thing, none or too much is a bad thing

 

[RA64]

The guy is starting to get knots under his nips, don't you think Letro is a better choice to control it once knots have formed.

I use Adex, but Letro IMO is way stronger.

 

[MrCynical]

ok so letro and aromasin is what i will get, i've done my research and thought nolvadex was the way to go, there is so much between the lines that makes this board very helpful, thanks for the quick responses everyone!!

 

[Epic Ed]

But letro is a serious hammer. I don't think he's even definitively determined he is developing gyno yet. Letro would be the best option if he definitely has gyno and is trying to reverse it mid-cycle. I think it might be wiser to try a milder Aromatase inhibitor (AI) first, because the sides associated with letro can really suck.

A good point has been made about not knowing if the potential developing gyno is progesterone or estrogen related, and that's true, but there's really no harm is taking something for both. A test squeeze of your nipples should let you know if it's a prolactin build up. If you get some brown discharge then get you'll know it's due to prolactin. But, fuck it, I'd start running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and a prolactin antagonizer.

 

[Epic Ed]

ok so letro and aromasin is what i will get...

No! Those are both AI's and you should only take one or the other. I'd say go with the aromasin first and only go to the letro if the suspected gyno progresses. But at this point you don't even know if it's gyno or just water retention, right? And then if it is gyno, you don't know if it's estrogen related or progesterone related. So take something for both kinds, but go easy at first. Most people recommend caber or prami as a prolactin antagonizer. I'm running caber right now and have no complaints but it's expensive.