What else can I run with TRT long term?

[soldier74]

if thats you in the avatar, you have an elite physique... why do you feel you got robbed?

Man, I never had body aches and nagging pains in my 30's !! It's like it just hit me overnite. Some kinda sick joke God playing on me or what the fuck, idk..lol. It's all good tho, the lady keeps ladocaine patches stocked up Between that n muscle rub it's like a nursing home at my house..lol.

 

[soldier74]

pic of me on the left is before I got on TRT , pic of me to the right is 6 months after being on TRT (again about 5 years ago) and having Not yet ever ran an actual full blown AAS cycle . I responded very well to the TRT , imo

i started my journey at a scrawny 145 pounds (even though i still lifted some back then , the low testosterone and high amounts of cardio kept me from making any gains). the pic on the right is me at about 177 pounds at 5'9-10 . I'm now 45-50 pounds (1/3 my body weight) heavier then I was when I started 5 years ago (and I'm just now starting a bulk again and hope to put on another 10-15) , putting me around 210 . so from 145 to 210 pounds in 5 years with limited fat gain


again , posting 'before' pics and pics from 5 years ago sucks. but whatever. and my tattoos sucked back then too . i got those suckers covered up since then.

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That definantly shows your dedication bro. You prolly count your macros and all that huh? Nice Roush.

 

[Milton]

the lady keeps ladocaine patches stocked up Between that n muscle rub it's like a nursing home at my house..lol.

as long as the right muscle is rubbed

 

[copaseet]

Man, I never had body aches and nagging pains in my 30's !! It's like it just hit me overnite. Some kinda sick joke God playing on me or what the fuck, idk..lol. It's all good tho, the lady keeps ladocaine patches stocked up Between that n muscle rub it's like a nursing home at my house..lol.

Same thing for me, I think this year im going to put away the heavy weight and stay in the 10-16 rep range.

 

[soldier74]

as long as the right muscle is rubbed

You know it!! Just not with the icy hot!!

 

[soldier74]

Same thing for me, I think this year im going to put away the heavy weight and stay in the 10-16 rep range.

Do a variation of heavy/low volume and light/high volume. Works for me. And when i say heavy i ain't talking 20 year old full of piss n viniger "gotta lift this shit for the chic in yoga pants" heavy!! Lol. AKA 49'r heavy. No offense 9er

 

[Ziegler]

A lot of guys are running hcg in their trt regimen.

i disagree that 'deca' would be the only safe bet . its not that safe at all for long term use in regards to RBC/hematrocrit . along with your trt the deca will accelerate your rbc production (thats what its used for medically to treat anemia) and cause numerous health issues.

my choice for long term use along with TRT are dht derived AAS like Primo or Masteron. synergetic with test and makes everything work better and frees up more test from SHBG. a moderate dose of 300-400 a week would be fine

What are your thoughts on mesterolone use in a trt setting.

 

[copaseet]

TRT Before & After.... View attachment 565769

 

[Ziegler]

TRT Before & After.... View attachment 565770View attachment 565771

 

[soldier74]

TRT Before & After.... View attachment 565769

That's progress bro! Both you guys made some good progress. Now is that just TRT alone with no blasts or??
This lifestyle, bodybuilding atleast, is something I'm learning more and more is something that takes time. To build mature muscle that lasts anyways. Patience is definantly a virtue here guys.

 

[copaseet]

That's progress bro! Both you guys made some good progress. Now is that just TRT alone with no blasts or??
This lifestyle, bodybuilding atleast, is something I'm learning more and more is something that takes time. To build mature muscle that lasts anyways. Patience is definantly a virtue here guys.

The after is about 3 months after a blast... 500mg Test E... but its also the time where I bumped up my calories /macros as well... kinda "blew up"... I think even if I just stayed on TRT dose and changed the diet, I would of got to the same place, as I have no problem maintaining that condition on a TRT dose.

 

[Roush]

What are your thoughts on mesterolone use in a trt setting.

I prefer Masteron over Proviron (mesterolone) for long term use because orals all have some degree of hepa-toxicity. Masteron is basically injectable proviron and can be taken in much higher dosages for longer periods of time with no liver toxicity.

and from my experience having run both , the injectable is just much stronger , plus can be had in a short propionate ester as well

 

[soldier74]

Being on the mast topic roush, and being that I'm planning on running some here soon along with test, blast. Do you know a way in can incorporate mast prop and mast enan together starting with prop, got one vial coming, and changing over to enan for the duration of the blast...12-16 weeks. I wanted to go prop only but supplier had one in stock. I prolly should just go all enanthate ester huh? Save the prop for a later blast? I guess mainly want to know is there a way or is it worth kick starting it. The test is enan btw.

 

[Roush]

Being on the mast topic roush, and being that I'm planning on running some here soon along with test, blast. Do you know a way in can incorporate mast prop and mast enan together starting with prop, got one vial coming, and changing over to enan for the duration of the blast...12-16 weeks. I wanted to go prop only but supplier had one in stock. I prolly should just go all enanthate ester huh? Save the prop for a later blast? I guess mainly want to know is there a way or is it worth kick starting it. The test is enan btw.

i prefer running mast prop with mast E anytime I start a cycle with mast . you just front load the mast P along
with the mast E
ex.
Mast Prop - 150 mg eod - weeks 1-6
Mast E - 600 mg per week - weeks 1-14

that way the masteron starts kicking in much quicker , then the longer ester mast will carry you through the rest of your cycle

i pretty much do the same thing when I begin a big blast of test and use test Prop to front load , also I use NPP to front load deca cycles.

 

[soldier74]

i prefer running mast prop with mast E anytime I start a cycle with mast . you just front load the mast P along
with the mast E
ex.
Mast Prop - 150 mg eod - weeks 1-6
Mast E - 600 mg per week - weeks 1-14

that way the masteron starts kicking in much quicker , then the longer ester mast will carry you through the rest of your cycle

i pretty much do the same thing when I begin a big blast of test and use test Prop to front load , also I use NPP to front load deca cycles.

Ahh, simple. Apppreciate it my freind!!

 

[Ziegler]

That's progress bro! Both you guys made some good progress. Now is that just TRT alone with no blasts or??
This lifestyle, bodybuilding atleast, is something I'm learning more and more is something that takes time. To build mature muscle that lasts anyways. Patience is definantly a virtue here guys.

Not sure if you were referring to me too if not embarrassing lol.

I started the trt 4 months ago ran it at 100mg per week split 50 50.

Then in late September upped it to 150mg per week split 75 75.

Three weeks in I decided to drop it back down to 100 split 50 50 because of the water retention.

Was doable but far less results across the board.

After three weeks of 100mg and feeling so so upped it back to 150mg and feeling totally stoked.

Have not blasted yet.

 

[soldier74]

Not sure if you were referring to me too if not embarrassing lol.

I started the trt 4 months ago ran it at 100mg per week split 50 50.

Then in late September upped it to 150mg per week split 75 75.

Three weeks in I decided to drop it back down to 100 split 50 50 because of the water retention.

Was doable but far less results across the board.

After three weeks of 100mg and feeling so so upped it back to 150mg and feeling totally stoked.

Have not blasted yet.

Much respect bro! ( and yeah my post was directed toward both u and copaseet..lol). Ur playing it smart. Most guys don't see results and think upping the dose is the answer, ya know. Glad u see otherwise.
How about your diet.? U geting that in check too? Obviously the biggest factor in this game.

 

[copaseet]

Not sure if you were referring to me too if not embarrassing lol.

I started the trt 4 months ago ran it at 100mg per week split 50 50.

Then in late September upped it to 150mg per week split 75 75.

Three weeks in I decided to drop it back down to 100 split 50 50 because of the water retention.

Was doable but far less results across the board.

After three weeks of 100mg and feeling so so upped it back to 150mg and feeling totally stoked.

Have not blasted yet.

You've lost alot around your midsection... Finding it easier to burn fat on T?

 

[Ziegler]

Much respect bro! ( and yeah my post was directed toward both u and copaseet..lol). Ur playing it smart. Most guys don't see results and think upping the dose is the answer, ya know. Glad u see otherwise.
How about your diet.? U geting that in check too? Obviously the biggest factor in this game.

My diet hasn't changed much I eat free pizza at work a lot and burgers fries the whole 9 yards.

I have started to eat a salad everyday which I hadn't done in the past.

Also have been doing a lot of cardio for the first time in my life 30 mins elliptical at 8.0 speed is becoming a piece of cake.

You've lost alot around your midsection... Finding it easier to burn fat on T?

Hard to tell if it is the test or the cardio because I started them both at the same time.

 

[soldier74]

My diet hasn't changed much I eat free pizza at work a lot and burgers fries the whole 9 yards.

I have started to eat a salad everyday which I hadn't done in the past.

Also have been doing a lot of cardio for the first time in my life 30 mins elliptical at 8.0 speed is becoming a piece of cake.



Hard to tell if it is the test or the cardio because I started them both at the same time.

Well shit, you been hanging around on this site long enough...I'm sure you know what you have to do to progress. Free pizza sounds like a curse my man..lol. I worked at a Tim hortons for a quick minutes years ago and the "all you could eat free doughnuts" for the employees ran me the helll out of that damn place, fast! lol.