What would you guys do if you were me?

[armenianiron]

So here is the deal...I went to my docs on friday to get bloodwork done and my test levels have been the same since the last time I got them checked which was 8 months ago...might I add that I hit puberty at a younger than average age. These two considerations make me think that I may have reached the upper end of my natural test production which is pretty good if you ask me at 796ng/ml ! No wonder I've made gains so easily all my life LOL I'm going to be 20 this upcoming spring, and am considering my first cycle under the supervision of a doctor experienced in the field of working with geared athletes. The one thing that would sway me from this choice at this point is if I continue to gain naturally by the time that time rolls around, which certainly is possible, but once I regain some lost size/strength from the long cut I've done and get back to my pr's of 345 on bench, 495 for 2 or 3 on squat, and 535 on dead I wonder how much more I could gain naturally....if any, most likely not much more..Guess we will see.

 

[Dark_Side]

Your to young and it's not worth shutting yourself down if your naturally that high! Change up your diet and keep training.
Also your growth plates might not have closed yet.

 

[Solid Snake]

You're just trying to create justification for yourself so someone tells you it's ok to cycle at 20. Not going to happen, you need to wait.

 

[P4P4_D]

Everyone is gonna keep telling you that you're too young. But no one can stop what you wanna do. But with natural test that high I don't understand why you can't wait. People who use gear are at the low end of test or just wanna push past their genetic potential. No one is telling you what to do. Just advising ! Just keep eating!

 

[Dark_Side]

You were already told in your other thread really good advice from alot of the vets. Posting another thread isn't going to change their minds. Your just looking for someone to tell you to go ahead and it's gonna be fine.

If your not going to listen, quit wasting their time and do what you want

 

[Misc]

your young. stay natty and keep gaining naturally.

 

[armenianiron]

You're just trying to create justification for yourself so someone tells you it's ok to cycle at 20. Not going to happen, you need to wait.

What I was implying above was that I may be near my genetic potential. It'll be quite aggravating to lift for another 4-5 years just to maintain the level I reach with no progression. As far as shutting myself down, doesn't that come from steroid abuse..not proper use? I don't see what would be so bad if I did 12 week test cycle with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to supplement a faster rebound while at the same time getting weekly or bi weekly blood work done, and proper pct...you want to try and tell me that I'm likely to experience hpta shutdown for more than a month or a few tops by the such approach? I know enough about aas for that scare tactic not to work lol

 

[tnemo]

they are not scare tactics, you are 19 and still growing, it will be a few more year before you hit your potential max. I would tell you to be patient but it appears you have already made up your mind

 

[DADAWG]

What I was implying above was that I may be near my genetic potential. It'll be quite aggravating to lift for another 4-5 years just to maintain the level I reach with no progression. As far as shutting myself down, doesn't that come from steroid abuse..not proper use? I don't see what would be so bad if I did 12 week test cycle with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to supplement a faster rebound while at the same time getting weekly or bi weekly blood work done, and proper pct...you want to try and tell me that I'm likely to experience hpta shutdown for more than a month or a few tops by the such approach? I know enough about aas for that scare tactic not to work lol

your not at your genetic limit , my son was squatting and deadlifting that much at 15 but his bench sucked lol.

 

[coltmc45]

And they aren't scare tactics it's the truth. No matter if it's a test only cycle and you run hCG and run a good pct there is ALWAYS a chance of fucking your HPTA up. There's no reason for any of us to use "scare tactics". It's not like we don't want any more people using gear because we want it all for ourselves. None of us have anything to gain from you using or not using, were here to help people not fuck theirselves up.

 

[coolhandjames]

Kill myself.

L O L

 

[Necrosis]

If I were you? Well for one I'd stop making threads in hope that someone just anyone would support my Impatience!! I don't know how much times we can possibly go over it and continue to give you the same answer! WAIT! you'll appreciate AAS usage that much more once you truly do hit a wall!

Honestly I know it deed down and have it in my gut you're going to do it ANYWAY and you know what so be it, obviously the matters we've touched bare no significant value to you BUT with that said I still will continue to provide you the help you need to make sure you do it safe and right! I'm sure we all will.

I know you're young but have some balls, if you're going to do it just say so!! Don't jerk us around like this we've giving you the answers it's up to you weather our answer is right for YOU, if you're going to do it, do it right... We won't make an example out of you, as I said we WILL continue to lend a helping hand!

 

[armenianiron]

I've made the decision to do it. I have recently talked to alan aragon and here is what he said..."My personal view of AAS is that it's safe if done conservatively & supervised by a doc with experience in working with geared athletes. As for whether or not you should do it, that's merely a personal decision based on values. I personally don't see the justification unless you're trying to compete on the same level with other elite-level guys who are on AAS. Only the top 10 BBers in the world only make enough $$$ to have a good livbing at competing & endorsements alone, so I don't really see the point unless you have the genetics to be headed toward that path. And keep in mind, the top 10 in the world all looked jacked as fck in their mid to late teens even before they started formally BBing. It's a touchy subject with a lot to think about, but that's my brief thoughts on the matter." Who better to listen to his advice? He only makes his decision based off of personal experience in directly working with aas user (in which he has a TON) and scientific unbiased studies. I have also talked to a few professional bodybuilders like I mentioned in my last thread and one of them said this after I told him about a cycle dadawg had proposed to me which was 600mg test en. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) + arimidex or aromasin during and suggest clomid and nolva for pct..."Hello there. Gonna get straight to the chase and break down your cycle, as it does not look good the way it is.
First of all, I recommend enthanate because it is just a tiny bit less duration in the body as cypionate (7 carbons vs cypionates 8 carbons)
Second of all, 600mg is way too much. Wayyyy too much. Unless this is going to be your only cycle EVER I would recommend dropping that by half. 300mg/wk divided into 2 doses is perfect. Receptors will saturate at 750mg at your level anyways.

Drop the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), drop the Aromatase inhibitor (AI). The Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will only inhibit your gains during the cycle, and should only be used if absolutly necessary (if you start to see signs of estrogen-related sides)
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is only truly necessary IMO when coming off of large cycles where your body will have a grea deal of "rebound" coming off of it. This substance is supposed to bring your bodys hormone levels back to average levels.

If you're going to PCT, choose nolva or clomid. Run it 2 weeks after your last injection for 4 weeks. 40/40/20/20

That's it. There's no need to overdo the PCT, it's just as bad as not having one.
Keep the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand though, that's a smart move."

 

[DADAWG]

i dont know alan aragon and i dont care what he say .

WHY THE FUCK did you ask our opinion if you wont listen , you just wanted someone to tell you what you wanted to hear. get all your advice from allen whats his face and quit wasing our time.

 

[armenianiron]

from his website..." Alan Aragon has over 18 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine. "

 

[tnemo]

I guess everything that we read on the web is true....

 

[traviswyliedime]

just do you cycle brotatoe.

 

[DADAWG]

from his website..." Alan Aragon has over 18 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine. "

you have people with real world experience telling you stuff and your listen to a editor of a musclerag / mens health . please god tell me your not that stupid.

 

[armenianiron]

He is well known among the fitness community, a simple google of his name would be more than convincing if you took a minutes, or two out of your daily schedule to do this. lol and yes I am...despite the partially negative feedback i seem to be getting I will step keep you guys updated.

 

[DADAWG]

He is well known among the fitness community, a simple google of his name would be more than convincing if you took a minutes, or two out of your daily schedule to do this. lol and yes I am...despite the partially negative feedback i seem to be getting I will step keep you guys updated.

go somewhere else and play before you infect some other newbie with stupidity.