What's the basis on running Tren higher than Test?

[UserAt204]

Thanks DET OAK. That pretty much clears things up. I have been waiting for you to chime in and get us all straight on this issue. This does make perfect sense when you spell it out for us. Thanks for the compliment but I'm just trying to catch up to you my man. I have a friend that runs tren months at a time without test and does just fine and increased libido but had another friend that tren alone killed his libido and had ED in two weeks.

 

[Stick & Move]

Thanks DET-OAK. I'm Going to run my next cycle with 600 Tren and 300 Test for 12 weeks and see what happens. My libido has always been very uncontrollable Running Tren and Test. Now I see why. Thanks again.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Thanks DET-OAK. I'm Going to run my next cycle with 600 Tren and 300 Test for 12 weeks and see what happens. My libido has always been very uncontrollable Running Tren and Test. Now I see why. Thanks again.

hahahaha-exactly-it gets tiring having to fuck or jerk it 5x a day.

 

[Stick & Move]

It gets tiring just trying to make the wife bend over for me that much. I jerk just to make sure it works. Thanks again DET-OAK. Now I'm hoping with next cycle and some hcg, I can just act normal. Which is hard to do while I'm on. If I will be cutting, are my doses looking good? Or would you suggest something different?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

test e or prop? ace or enanthate?

 

[Stick & Move]

Tren e 200 and Test E 250

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

and how many tren cycles have you done? what were the dosages?

 

[Stick & Move]

Last 2 Cylces Sustanon (sust) -800 / week and tren 500 / week.

 

[Stick & Move]

12 Weeks each

 

[cashout]

I've been on this forum now since last December and just within the last week I have seen this being mentioned here. I run my test at 800 and tren at 500 and my test levels are upwards around 2000 on my blood work results...I'm not arguing that this is a false statement but in my experience when my test dosage gets closer to the tren dosage I have libido issues. Now even if the tren competes for the same receptor as test I do believe that I'm not wasting the extra 300 mg of test....if I was running 500 mg of test my levels wouldn't come back that high. I know stick and move is going to try this theory out and I'm anxious to see the results but ur not gonna catch me changing my tren cycle based off this idea....that's just me though and I may react different than most.

Cobra, are you saying that with 800 mgs of Test a week you are ONLY getting 2000 ng/dl on a blood test?

I get that off of 200 mgs of Pharm Grade Test Cyp once a week on HRT!

Better get that test source checked if that is what you are saying.

At 800mgs a week of test, you should be some where in the range of 6000-8000 ng/dl.

 

[Stick & Move]

If what your saying is correct about Cobra's test levels than our Sustanon (sust) from QV, Under filled and Under dosed. We just talked about that yesterday.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Whats up fellas. USER you have a wealth of info, especially on peptides, I have learned from you a number of times.

Keep in mind you dont HAVE to run your test higher with deca, but you will get more gains that way, also taking the risk of more sides (its always that way, more gains more sides). Simply because Deca is more of an anabolic. Its not androgenic. The best steroids have both a high anabolic/androgenic ratio. They are are the best because this produces a synergistic effect. Im learning more and more as I grow in this game and the field of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) that it is the synergistic effect that we want.

Example: GH alone sux. run GH for 3 months then throw in some test and watch out. Again GH is anabolic.

Just look at the increase collagen thread, low dose test high deca, EQ or Var. Mgunz did this and he liked it just fine.

Tren on the other hand is highly androgenic and highly anabolic, but does not aromatize. This is beneficial for estro sides.

A friend of mine has known this guy for like 15 years, they have both been "ON" for that long, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) blast cruise whatever. this guy has never cycled anything besides TREN for the last 7 years. He never has libido issues and he is a fucking monster, he dwarfs me.

Tren should not inhibit your libido, it should increase it, since its very androgenic.

If TREN were to somehow get prolactin out of control, which is VERY unlikely, high prolactin can squash libido, this is why it takes forever to bust on progestins, decreased penis sensitivity. This is MUCH more likely to happen with DECA.

We only have so many receptors in our body, roughly, they die off and re grow all the time. Different types of receptors are in specific areas of our body, mostly. androgen, estrogen a shitload of them. Once we fill up the androgen receptor the rest of the medication is wasted, it doesnt do anything.

Keep in mind Cobra that just cause your T levels are 2000 does not mean your using it. The first 1980 mgs gets gobbled up by albumin and SHBG right away, and that never hits a receptor. now you have the rest attaching to recptors in your body. it is really just a signaling system, you can only make the signal so strong.

Since I want the tren gains, dry lean huge vascular gains, I want the tren to attach to more recptors than the test right? its a synergistic effect in one nice formula, and the best one AAS wise.

So running 4-600 tren (i know guys that say the real size gains from tren are up around 7-800mg shooting 100 or so daily) with 300 test is great.

These guys run low dose test with it, just enough for normal activities, we dont need any anabolic or androgenic muscle building effects from it, we have the tren for that.

This will actually leave you less prone to side effects, since high prolactin is usually associated with high estro.

I also know a guy that was on high dose tren for 6 months and wound up in the hospital with liver/kidney problems. Cant prove it was the tren, but he was otherwise a healthy guy.

great fuckin post det. Maybe my deal was a fluke and I never did give it a second attempt but I def will try this the next time I run tren...

stick....you dont need 600mg of tren bro....you will cut up just fine on 400...dont get carried away

 

[cashout]

If what your saying is correct about Cobra's test levels than our Sustanon (sust) from QV, Under filled and Under dosed. We just talked about that yesterday.

Yup - if you guys are hitting 800 mgs of Test a week and only getting 2000 ng/dl on a blood draw - there is something really really wrong!

I've never run anything but pharm grade gear so I have no personal reference for these UG labs and their products.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Cobra, are you saying that with 800 mgs of Test a week you are ONLY getting 2000 ng/dl on a blood test?

I get that off of 200 mgs of Pharm Grade Test Cyp once a week on HRT!

Better get that test source checked if that is what you are saying.

At 800mgs a week of test, you should be some where in the range of 6000-8000 ng/dl.

yes as s&m pointed out it was qv test and was underdosed and underfilled...when I got the test it was only week 6 or 7...not sure how much was compounded by then but it sure wasnt what it was suppose to be


also was my first cycle and I listened to a bunch of idiots that didnt know shit...my bad

 

[Stick & Move]

If we all only knew how to get pharm grade gear. Hmmm

 

[cashout]

yes as s&m pointed out it was qv test and was underdosed and underfilled...when I got the test it was only week 6 or 7...not sure how much was compounded by then but it sure wasnt what it was suppose to be

By week 6 or 7 you should have blown the doors off a total t test at 800mgs a week.

Your physician should have looked at you with results in hand and said "Mr. Cobra, your test level is about 10 times that of a healthy 21 year old male. You got some splain' to do!"

I can't speak for others, but over the years I've learned that in my body from about 200 mgs to 700 mgs of test a week there is a linear relationship in terms of total test. It is about a factor of 10.

That is at 200 mgs - I am pretty close to 2000ng/dl for total test

At 500 mgs - I am pretty close to 5000ng/dl for total test.

At 700 mgs - I am pretty close to 7000ng/dl for total test.

I've never run more than 700 mgs of test a week so I don't know if the relationship exists beyond that.

 

[Cobra Strike]

By week 6 or 7 you should have blown the doors off a total t test at 800mgs a week.

Your physician should have looked at you with results in hand and said "Mr. Cobra, your test level is about 10 times that of a healthy 21 year old male. You got some splain' to do!"

I can't speak for others, but over the years I've learned that in my body from about 200 mgs to 700 mgs of test a week there is a linear relationship in terms of total test. It is about a factor of 10.

That is at 200 mgs - I am pretty close to 2000ng/dl for total test

At 500 mgs - I am pretty close to 5000ng/dl for total test.

At 700 mgs - I am pretty close to 7000ng/dl for total test.

I've never run more than 700 mgs of test a week so I don't know if the relationship exists beyond that.

hahaha ya cashout I know I got fucked!!! thanks for rubbing some salt on that for me!

but good info

 

[cashout]

If we all only knew how to get pharm grade gear. Hmmm

Back in the day - pre-AAS Control Act circa 91' it use to be easy. I use to walk into my primary care physican with a cycle written out on paper. He would review it with me, script me for half of what I wanted and tell me to come in for blood work after the first 6 weeks and if it was A-Okay he would script me for the rest.

After 91', things got a little tougher, some doctors got edgy about the whole switch to Schedule III Controlled substances. For the most part, you could still find Drs willing to work with you through the 90's.

Things started to change in 98' with the scrutiny of Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa and the home run race. After that, congress started poking their respective noses into sports. That's when most Drs got really scared to script for AAS.

Once a couple of isolated incidents hit the front page of news and the revised act of 2004 passed under Bush 2 - things got really tight

Today, there are still some good Drs who will work with you but their hands are tied to the point where it is only for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dosages.

Lucky for me, I'm old and Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is just what I need to keep me looking like a "fitness model" instead of the competitive bodybuilder I once was.

 

[cashout]

hahaha ya cashout I know I got fucked!!! thanks for rubbing some salt on that for me!

but good info

Bro, I wasn't trying to yank your chain or call you out on that man, at first I though it was a typo in your post.

That sucks that you got the short end of the stick on that gear. I know how excited I use to get about my cycles and if I would have run one and not had it live up to expectations b/c some jack wagon pawned off bogus stuff to me, I would walk a mud hole in his....well you know.

Trust me, I'm hurtin' for you, man.

 

[Stick & Move]

Shit Cashout don't worry about cobra, That shit was along time ago. That was our first. Live and learn once. That's about as good as you can get Cobra. Once. Then he's got you or got it.