Why deca is so hard to recover from

[5x10]

I found this half life calculator PCT Calculator | Post Cycle Therapy Calculator
and
in reference to this study: http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93.full, 1 100mg shot of nandrolone will almost completely shut down your hpta
and it takes aprox 30 days to recover from 100mgs to baseline.
according to this calculator, it says to start serms while you have 100mgs left in your blood, which, according to the study above, is still to early to start serms
according to the graph of the same study above: http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93/F4.large.jpg
it takes an additional 2 weeks to be able to start the recovery for deca
by doing the math, you would start the serms no earlier than 6.5 weeks after your last 300mg shot
anything before that is a waste due to nandrolone suppresive nature and standard protocol calls for ending deca 2 weeks prior to test, then 2 weeks for serms, leaving an additional 2.5 weeks needed to get the nandrolone low enough to recover from.
most pcts are run for 4 week, only of which 1.5 would be effective
so unless your willing to run 3-4 more weeks worth of test, leave out deca and go for npp
i also wonder what lood levels have to be in order to start recovery from test
if common protocol says to start serms 2 weeks after your last test e shot(250mgs, 2x a week), you would be starting your serms with aprox 321mgs of test still in your blood, which i would think would be enough to keep your hpta suppressed.
this calculator says to start your serms 3-4 weeks after your last shot, with aprox 119-80mgs left in you
i really have no studies to reference on how much mgs of test in the blood will allow for the start of recovery(please post em if you do)

 

[Teutonic]

Damn dude...that was a lot...but I empathize with your situationfrustration.

It s just how that particular 19 nor works.

Bottom line is can use whatever calculater u want and half life yourself crazy but waiting 6.5 weeks for pct off deca is long i m o .

The only golden rule to all this is we are all differant and react and recover differantly from the intro of exo aas to ur hpta loop.

You ll have to find your sweeet spot is all..

T

 

[zedhed]

Or if youre at that point in your life go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and dont worry about post cycle therapy (pct) TaDaaaaa!

 

[5x10]

Bottom line is can use whatever calculater u want and half life yourself crazy but waiting 6.5 weeks for post cycle therapy (pct) off deca is long i m o .
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i wasnt saying to stop roids all together, but stop at least 4-5 weeks prior to ending your test, add npp or switch compounds the remaining 5 weeks.
then after your last shot of test, wait 3 more weeks(that should be aprox 56 days) prior to starting serms
makes sense though, i hear alot of people complaining about how difficult it is to recover from deca and i believe its because
of how long it takes to get out of you in addition to its highly suppressive nature

Or if youre at that point in your life go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and dont worry about post cycle therapy (pct) TaDaaaaa!

i have about 15 more yrs, then ill consider it!
must be nice

 

[rocko3927]

i know when i am done with my cycle i blast the hcg, wait and then get bloodwork done. if i need a blast more Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or start my toremifine.....all your answers can be found in your bloodwork results......

 

[UserAt204]

We all typically start serms early but I'm not waiting more than two weeks so I discontinue everything but test early. Half lifes are great but everyone is different and will recover different. I've never had a problem with it. 5x10 you are technically correct and it's a gamble so we have to find what works for us but 2 weeks after E or C ester seems to work for most and 3 after deconate ester.

 

[longbeachrider]

This is good, I've been looking for more deca info for timing pct too.

 

[5x10]

We all typically start serms early but I'm not waiting more than two weeks so I discontinue everything but test early. Half lifes are great but everyone is different and will recover different. I've never had a problem with it. 5x10 you are technically correct and it's a gamble so we have to find what works for us but 2 weeks after E or C ester seems to work for most and 3 after deconate ester.

yeah, i bet everyone metabolizes the hormones at different paces

 

[UserAt204]

They definitely do 5x10. I appreciate the info you posted because it gives people a better idea of why we need to wait to start pct and the possible risk at different start times.