Winstrol/Clen/T3 - Fat Smash Cycle (LOL)

simplygifted

simplygifted

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Below is my first cycle (cutting) i plan on starting if you have
time please comment and let me know an suggestions you may have. My
goal is to lose a significant amount of weight while perserving
muscle tone with calestetics and Winstrol (winny). everything is oral because
im not readsy for injections. If you dont like it... shoot me. lol

Starting Stats: 5'10, 220, About 20% - 22% bf
Current: 20yr, 5 10, 192 lbs, about 16% bf.
Reason: Plateu at 192-195 Trying to move this along a little faster


I train upper body by only using calistethics(pullups, dips pushups crunches etc.) almost everyday and legs with common leg machines an lunges squats etc. Cardio will be a minimun of 30 min every day when this cycle is started.

Sugestions on specific eating habits. Timing etc. i know what form im looking for and ive done the research but all advice is welcomed. and i know i must incorperate tuarine supplement to prevent cramps.

Winstrol/Clen/T3
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This is a 40 day trial run - 1st Cycle

Day 1-40 Winstrol 10mg(x)5 British Dragon Tabs Everyday
Day 1-21 Clen (40,40,40,80,80,80,120,120,120,160,160,160,120,120,120,80,80,80,40,40,40)
Day 19-40 T3 (25,25,25,50,50,50,75,75,75,100,100,100,75,75,75,50,50,50,25,25,25)

I will start after I recieve the stuff in the mail and after reading your post. Below is my progress so far. (Natural) Been training for about 3 years. took 6months off and blew up (December 2005). Looked at myself in the mirror and desided to get back on it. Excusively calistetic since December Im liking the results from calistethics. Time to step it up!
 
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Here it goes...

1. Your first cycle should be Testosterone only
2. It's not recommended that your first cycle be a cutter
3. Do you use freeweights? Usually people who use steroids use them to gain significant muscle mass and/or strength...you don't seem to be very interested in that. If you can achieve your goals without the use of steroids, you are far better off than to use them. Steroids are not good for you.
4. I think you need to do a lot more research before you consider using anabolics, it should also be noted that it's highly recommended that you wait until your at least 22 years of age.

I don't say the above to offend, but you have to look at the situation realistically in order to protect your health and to gain maximum benefits from Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use.

BTW, that is simply a very poorly thought out cycle. I think you can drop the T3 and Winstrol (winny) and see good results from Clen alone or an ECA stack.
 
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I'm not going to get into whether or not you want to use steroids. I do agree that you should train with free weights.

Winny will help preserve muscle mass and tone while cutting with T3 and clenbuterol. Your Winstrol (winny) doses are fine.

There is no need to taper either T3 or clenbuterol up or down. T3 can be run at a constant dose indefinately with no ill effects on the thyroid gland when you come off. You might as well run 100 mcgs. for the duration. Taper down if you want but it won't do anything.

Clenbuterol can be run for 2-3 weeks before it loses its effect, unless you take ketotifen or perhaps benadryl to "recharge" the beta2 receptors. Most people run it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Again, no need to taper.
 
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Though I see no reason really to taper down from clen, with my experience of using clen, sometimes higher doses can be a bit of a problem. You might benefit from tapering up because some sides can be enough for you to stop...for instance when I was running higher doses of clen my heart would (at times) beat so hard I thought I was going to have a heart attack..it was very scary.

Also, sleeping can be disrutped significantly - then there is sweating and the shakes. It can be pretty hard stuff sometimes, and I think it's good to taper up (at least the first time that you use it) so you can know how you react to different doses.

It's a good thing you came to this forum because, though it may not be what you want to hear, we will tell you how it really is. There are a lot of experienced guys here.
 
thanks ppl
now my responces Here it goes...

To outlaws 1st post
1. just looking to lose a lot of weight right now maby test on 2nd cycle if all goes well
2. eh it happens
3. i will be switching back to my freeweight rutine along with calis. for this cycle. i believe the little size gains from the whinny will be suficient and im a medical field major... i know that steroids are bad (mostly in excess) but ey lol like i said, it happens.
4. i believe ive done sufficient research. (including this post) for what i want to do i will most likely wait a bit longer b4 any real aas. (T3 and clen arent really steroids and IMO a lil 40 day whinny binge cant hurt 2 much)lol

Reason For Format of Stack

i have used a lot of energy supplements (red line, lipo 6, lean fire, etc.) so i doubt there will be a problem with my tolerance to the clen but its a new substance so thats why i wish to taper up. and i have it tapering down because dont wanna be on high doses of clen at the time when i start the T3. (ive read everywhere that its a force to be reckoned with lol)
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No offence taken thank you for taking the time to respond
 
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Trev thanks for getting strait to the point i understand the clen part of your post and my responce is in the post directed to outlaw. but everywhere and i do mean everywhere i look it says that t3 must be tapered up AND down to prevent shocking your thyroid gland thats why i have it set up like that. thanks for your input. looking forward to your responce
 
simplygifted said:
Trev thanks for getting strait to the point i understand the clen part of your post and my responce is in the post directed to outlaw. but everywhere and i do mean everywhere i look it says that t3 must be tapered up AND down to prevent shocking your thyroid gland thats why i have it set up like that. thanks for your input. looking forward to your responce
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Well, it doesn't hurt to taper the T3 if you aren't sure.
 
I always taper T3 down but never up now that I know what dose I need for certain results. To be honest, I've never seen any real evidence that T3 needs to be tapered at all. I do it b/c I'm quite sensitive to T3 for some reason so I'm extra careful.
 
you know they are not anabolic, but they are nothing to take lightly either. clen is a far cry from red line, t3 is not a joke either. it sound like you've done your home wrk but take it easy till you gert the swing of it. i went from 125 mgs of ephadra a day right into clen and it nocked my socks off. i may be diff but watch out.
 
No fuckin way should you be using t3. Gear should be used to gain muscle not lose fat as it won't. How about you post a fat blasting diet and when you get to where you want start your test cycle and get up there. also your training looks bad too
 
simplygifted said:
Trev thanks for getting strait to the point i understand the clen part of your post and my responce is in the post directed to outlaw. but everywhere and i do mean everywhere i look it says that t3 must be tapered up AND down to prevent shocking your thyroid gland thats why i have it set up like that. thanks for your input. looking forward to your responce
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Actually, outlaw makes a good argument for tapering up on the clen to see how you react to it at lower doses before you go high on it. I do take my clen early in the morning because even though it has a pretty long half life, it can interfere with my sleep if I take it later.

The alleged need to taper T3 is probably the most persistent, widespread, and incorrect myth in bodybuilding. While the myth is old and often repeated, it is simply wrong. However, it can't hurt as Mranak said. I would suggest that if you taper it, you should consider shortening the taper time to try to maximize the effectiveness of it.

Right now I am using 100 mcg. of T3 and 140 mcg. of clenbuterol daily. I did not taper up nor will I taper down. I've done this before so I know what doses I like that don't cause side effects other than frequent bowel movements. :)
 
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Trevdog said:
There is no need to taper either T3 or clenbuterol up or down. T3 can be run at a constant dose indefinately with no ill effects when you come off.
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Sorry to bring this up after-the-fact, but this statement stuck in my head and has bothered me enough to go back, find it, any reply to it.

Regardless of the whole tapering thing, running supraphysiological doses of T3 can and probably will damage the subjects health. This effect can range from very little (which is hopefully the case for most short-term T3 users on these boards) to very significant. In particular, it can cause problems with the heart, which can easily lead to premature death.

Trevdog, I know that you were speaking in reference to the tapering thing in this post, but people may read your statement differently than this, so I wanted to offer clarificaiton on this subject.
 
Thank you Mranak. I edited the misleading post above. If you have any studies on the ill effects of T3 handy, I'd like to see them.
 
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