With a UGL - is post injection pain the norm

[Roush]

I see a lot of posts, comments, etc. mentioning PIP.. Seems like PIP is pretty common for most guys, and I'm assuming most guys are using a UGL.

Having done several hundreds of injections, test cyp, test prop, primobolan*, deca, I've never gotten PIP,, but all my gear is from a pharmacy with a dr prescription.

My question is,, that if I were to use a UGL (let's say I wanted to run tren, which clearly you can't get from a pharmacy being it's not FDA approved) would I more then likely experience PIP then ? If experienced users on here still get pip,, then what is it about a UGL's gear that would cause pip,, while my pharmacy gear does not?




* with primo I'll get a very small amount of soreness but that's cause it only comes dosed at 100 mg.. So I have to inject a large cc volume amount, and it's the extra volume that causes a bit of soreness.
Note: sure years back when I first injected in virgin muscle I gotta a little sore,, but I'm not talking about virgin muscles and pip

 

[tury694]

I am only on my first cycle, but I have been brewing for over one year. My gear is painless at this point. The first batches that I helped my friends and brother with produced some pain, but we refined it to the point that it does not hurt. Too much BA is the culprit my friend. We would use 3% at first but now we are down to only 1%. We also have lowered the amount of BB in the gear from the standard 20% to 15%-12% depending on the product. Most UGL's will give a little pain, but IMO it is worth the much lower prices, especially if it is quality product.

Tren Ace has a reputation for being a little painful. About the same amount of pain a test prop. Maybe you could use tren E to make sure you don't get too much pain.

 

[oldmusclemike]

I have experience more pain while using UGL's. Though it was not all the same. Some UGL's don't have consistent quality control as well as dosing, sometimes. I believe the operative word here with all this is SOMETIMES. Sorry I have no idea as to what is in the gear that causes the compounds to cause this PIP

Back in my old days 80's I wasn't using UGL's so even the Winstrol V (white color) didn't give me much at all PIP, really non. I was at 100mg ED. But I got mine from a Veterinary MD.

In my experience Tren Acetate always gave me a sting but not bad PIP, always a sting, no matter the Manufacturer. All the blends have given me soreness.

I don't believe in "Virgin" muscle. For me the experienced muscle has become callused (if you will)and only the needle doesn't hurt as much. This unless you have over injected in the same spot. Virgin or not if you inject say Super Test 400 for one you may get PIP.

 

[halfwit]

Totally depends on the UGL and what their recipes are. It's usually the benzyl alcohol content that gives the PIP, but you also have to realize that many PIP reports do come from first timers, so it's obviously going to give some discomfort.

That or crazy concentration stuff. 400mg/mL propionate? Yeah... PASS!

My .02c

 

[tury694]

I never understood the need for such high concentrations. "Lets just brew up some 550mg/ml test prop bro. It only hurts if you're a pussy." People with that mindset need help.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Totally depends on the UGL and what their recipes are. It's usually the benzyl alcohol content that gives the PIP, but you also have to realize that many PIP reports do come from first timers, so it's obviously going to give some discomfort.

That or crazy concentration stuff. 400mg/mL propionate? Yeah... PASS!

My .02c

exactly. heavy hormone with heavy ester in high concentration gives Pip aswell in pharma-grade. i remember an injection of double strombaject that gaves me hard pip for few days 20 years ago.

 

[Roush]

I may just have to do a personal test.. Deca from the pharmacy is like $160,, where as UGL deca is like $*****..
Maybe I'll have to get some UGL deca and test and see how it compares. Def a huge price difference

 

[oldmusclemike]

I am only on my first cycle, but I have been brewing for over one year. My gear is painless at this point. The first batches that I helped my friends and brother with produced some pain, but we refined it to the point that it does not hurt. Too much BA is the culprit my friend. We would use 3% at first but now we are down to only 1%. We also have lowered the amount of BB in the gear from the standard 20% to 15%-12% depending on the product. Most UGL's will give a little pain, but IMO it is worth the much lower prices, especially if it is quality product.

Tren Ace has a reputation for being a little painful. About the same amount of pain a test prop. Maybe you could use tren E to make sure you don't get too much pain.

Aren't we all just a bit different ! So it's good to know the average experience with all this. Prop is not at all bad says me. I do sometimes 100mg ED, in my shoulders and no problems .

I never understood the need for such high concentrations. Lets just brew up some 550mg/ml test prop bro. It only hurts if you're a pussy. People with that mindset need help.

WTF does pussy have to do with Anything? What hurts for me, Fvckin hurts me, and that may not hurt you. Just had to say... huh

 

[tury694]

Aren't we all just a bit different ! So it's good to know the average experience with all this. Prop is not at all bad says me. I do sometimes 100mg ED, in my shoulders and no problems .



WTF does pussy have to do with Anything? What hurts for me, Fvckin hurts me, and that may not hurt you. Just had to say... huh

Dude you got it wrong. It was sarcasm it hurts everyone. I'm mocking the people who decide to brew up high concentrations that are painful.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Dude you got it wrong. It was sarcasm it hurts everyone. I'm mocking the people who decide to brew up high concentrations that are painful.

Cool man, I'm getting old ya think.....Ha!

 

[tbonexl]

The ugl I was using is very smooth. "ghost pip" if you will. Doing a combined 650mg shot in the delt with 2cc's and nothing at all. No clue of that much gear in the delt at any time. So ugl gear doesn't mean painful gear. You just gotta find a good ugl. Don't ask me about any...

 

[Repo]

I never have any issues - it's all about the blend.

Except once in a while I might get a small pip if I have a full syringe and push it
through to fast - or hit a nerve... but it's pretty rare.

 

[China_Wall]

done

 

[Teutonic]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

PSL s water base does not hurt so....your either abusing, got a doc whose day s are limited or have the pain tolerance of a new born.

Now---man up. Tell the truth and all those that matter will respect you for admitting fault...really. Or expand on why a doc has you on this that and the other...it just does not add up man...or do you live in Jordan or.....
I am not fucking w you. Me of all people know the pitfall s of aas abuse...drug abuse and LYING

 

[Roush]

To the OP...

you say you only run gear from a pharmacy with a dr's script... you mentioned deca and primo, so you either live somewhere like Turkey or you're full of shit

As for ugl's gear being painful... I've never had an issue, find a good source, trust it and stick with it

Hey china,, it must suck living in the F'ng Stone Age.. Come on man,, docs have been writing steroid scripts for years..
Proof pics attached,, I'm covering up my name and the docs name

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It's all from the doc prescription from the pharmacy.. And I get plenty of gear from the pharmacy

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I don't live in turkey.. I just do what plenty of pro bodybuilder's and pro athletes that have money do that want to get gear without a UGL ... Try google sometime, it's not that hard to figure out (you may want to make more then a 6 figure a year income though.. Cause it's pricey)

 

[Teutonic]

I stand corrected; no offense meant...please understand howmuch b s gets postedhere


my bad.

 

[China_Wall]

done

 

[China_Wall]

Hey china,, it must suck living in the F'ng Stone Age.. Come on man,, docs have been writing steroid scripts for years..
Proof pics attached,, I'm covering up my name and the docs name

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It's all from the doc prescription from the pharmacy.. And I get plenty of gear from the pharmacy

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I don't live in turkey.. I just do what plenty of pro bodybuilder's and pro athletes that have money do that want to get gear without a UGL ... Try google sometime, it's not that hard to figure out (you may want to make more then a 6 figure a year income though.. Cause it's pricey)

one more thing... if you want to be around here long, choose your words carefully before you spit them out of that hole under your nose

 

[My name is Mike]

I have had a few products give PIP. In my experience, it can depend on the lab and sometimes just the date or if you get a bad mix. My first cycle with injectables was rough. I couldn't understand how everybody found it worth when I first started using my first ever bottle of Test E (wont name the lab).. I worked through it and started using the next bottle from the same lab and never had the pain again. Now, I know I had good quality tren in my last cycle and it always left a little soreness, but nothing significant. But I have only ever had one bottle of test that gave me a lot of pain (to the point that I couldn't bend my leg). Other than than, the other 10 bottles of substances used, never had anymore than minor aches.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

one more thing... if you want to be around here long, choose your words carefully before you spit them out of that hole under your nose

Dude chill out lol. Whats with the hostility? I don't fully agree with some of your posts/advice, but I don't feel the need to come out and say your full of shit etc...