Your favourite kickstart

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Next cycle is gonna be in about 6 weeks, but like a kid in a candy shop I can't decide what to run yet.


I wanna decide on a kickstart, I have to hand:

Anavar

Turinabol

Dianabol

Anadrol

Winstrol

Superdrol

Test Suspension

Test Prop.

I was considering doing them ALL but I dunno if my liver would thank me.

Whats your favourite kickstart out of these and why?

This is going to be a bulking cycle

Dianabol is truly a wonder drug, I make awesome solid gains on it..but I wanna try something new. let me hear your favourite kickstart fellas :)
 
frankiedawrench said:
Next cycle is gonna be in about 6 weeks, but like a kid in a candy shop I can't decide what to run yet.


I wanna decide on a kickstart, I have to hand:

Ana Anavar (var)

Turinabol

Dianabol

Anadrol

Winstrol

Superdrol

Test Suspension

Test Prop.

I was considering doing them ALL but I dunno if my liver would thank me.

Whats your favourite kickstart out of these and why?

This is going to be a bulking cycle

Dianabol is truly a wonder drug, I make awesome solid gains on it..but I wanna try something new. let me hear your favourite kickstart fellas :)
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Of that list I've only used Test Prop, D-bol, and Ana Anavar (var) , I'd say run a long ester Test and add in the Anavar (var) for the first 4-6 weeks. Plus whatever other compounds you decide to use. Anavar (var) for me was great stuff. Insane pumps like d-bol but w/o the water bloat.
 
Suspension.

Tbol/winny/var....don't seem to be very well suited to kickstarting as their results are much slower and less dramatic.
Never used drol or superdrol.

I like prop alot for a kickstart, but dbol and suspension are better IMO.

For a kickstart, I want to see/feel results right now. Prop is a bit slower and not nearly as pronounced as dbol or suspension (of course, you could say the same thing for drol as for dbol, but I am leaving it out since I have never used it myself...you want actual results not parroted bullshit).

Suspension and dbol show up within days for me. Size and strength go up over night.
Sure, it's mildly masochistic but I like the injections with suspension. It's a mental thing. I feel like anything I am injecting has to be working. lol Sure it stupid, but whatever works for your mind right?

The notion of some mild site enhancement with suspension makes a difference for me as well. On a side note, I have experimented with injection frequency with suspension just because you get so many reports from others. The science of it tells you to inject 3xD. I never tried it every 8 hours. I do inject 2xD with suspension. That works perfectly for me. I get very little in the way of sides. I run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and don't have any problems.

Just for that crazy ass Gator, I tired it ED. He claims to have no problems form EOD injects. No fucking way will I stretch it that far. My acne exploded when I switched to ED from 2xD. I got a bit moodier according to my wife. I didn't notice it, but she did and she asked had I changed my drugs again (what she calls all this). I ran it ED for 3 weeks just to be certain. Then I switched back to 2xD. The acne cleared up and the wife stopped bitching...about my moodiness anyway.

Another little fun fact...I get wood 2 hours after injecting suspension. I had never used aqueous TNE before, and I never got this with oil based. But this time, I got wood after the first injection and thought it had to be a placebo effect. That night, I injected about 30 minutes before bed. A couple hours later, I woke up because my dick was so hard it hurt. Again, I figured something else at work. This continued and I just accepted it. In fact, I started trying to time it like viagra. lol I got used to it, and it did not affect me so strongly after a couple of weeks. But it still hit me fairly often.

That lets me know the stuff is working. lol

So in stark contrast to the fellow who had unit trouble with winny...I had unit trouble with suspension...couldn't keep it down.
 
Swellin said:
Suspension.

Tbol/winny/var....don't seem to be very well suited to kickstarting as their results are much slower and less dramatic.
Never used drol or superdrol.

I like prop alot for a kickstart, but dbol and suspension are better IMO.

For a kickstart, I want to see/feel results right now. Prop is a bit slower and not nearly as pronounced as dbol or suspension (of course, you could say the same thing for drol as for dbol, but I am leaving it out since I have never used it myself...you want actual results not parroted bullshit).

Suspension and dbol show up within days for me. Size and strength go up over night.
Sure, it's mildly masochistic but I like the injections with suspension. It's a mental thing. I feel like anything I am injecting has to be working. lol Sure it stupid, but whatever works for your mind right?

The notion of some mild site enhancement with suspension makes a difference for me as well. On a side note, I have experimented with injection frequency with suspension just because you get so many reports from others. The science of it tells you to inject 3xD. I never tried it every 8 hours. I do inject 2xD with suspension. That works perfectly for me. I get very little in the way of sides. I run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and don't have any problems.

Just for that crazy ass Gator, I tired it ED. He claims to have no problems form EOD injects. No fucking way will I stretch it that far. My acne exploded when I switched to ED from 2xD. I got a bit moodier according to my wife. I didn't notice it, but she did and she asked had I changed my drugs again (what she calls all this). I ran it ED for 3 weeks just to be certain. Then I switched back to 2xD. The acne cleared up and the wife stopped bitching...about my moodiness anyway.

Another little fun fact...I get wood 2 hours after injecting suspension. I had never used aqueous TNE before, and I never got this with oil based. But this time, I got wood after the first injection and thought it had to be a placebo effect. That night, I injected about 30 minutes before bed. A couple hours later, I woke up because my dick was so hard it hurt. Again, I figured something else at work. This continued and I just accepted it. In fact, I started trying to time it like viagra. lol I got used to it, and it did not affect me so strongly after a couple of weeks. But it still hit me fairly often.

That lets me know the stuff is working. lol

So in stark contrast to the fellow who had unit trouble with winny...I had unit trouble with suspension...couldn't keep it down.
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Excellent post! Is your suspension Homebrew, or HG? Also what Aromatase inhibitor (AI) do you use and at what dose to keep your test sides away? (bloat, gyno)
 
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Awesome post swellin

I think suspension it is then.


I'm gyno prone. Would starting letro .25 mg ed 2 weeks beforehand ensure it was safe to run suspension w/o fear of gyno? (letro doesn't kill my sex drive even 2.5mg ed off cycle so no worries about starting it beforehand)
 
I'd narrow it down to suspension and D-Bol too. I'd prob. go with the D-boll for a month, IMO as I'm not fond of alot of injections. I know know a friend that used the suspension and he was running around like a madman within hours, blew up within days. He did it a few weeks before a benchpress comp. and blew out his pec at the meet, we had to cut the shirt off him. While he did the susp. me and my other buddy did the D-Boll all out for 8 weeks, the naps. This was 11 years ago and I don't know if the quality of gear was better but it looked like like someone put cannonballs in our traps,delts and bi's. I'm glad I was not smart enough to get bloodwork back then because I would have hated to see my liver enzymes and lipid profile, I didn't touch another Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) for a few years after that, after learning more about them. You will get to where you want to go with either one.
 
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mw101 said:
Excellent post! Is your suspension Homebrew, or HG? Also what Aromatase inhibitor (AI) do you use and at what dose to keep your test sides away? (bloat, gyno)
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My true suspension is a UG lab. I used to make it in oil (which is a solution, not a suspension). The results were similar, but with the true suspension, the speed of results was even greater.
As for the AI...see below.

frankiedawrench said:
I'm gyno prone. Would starting letro .25 mg ed 2 weeks beforehand ensure it was safe to run suspension w/o fear of gyno? (letro doesn't kill my sex drive even 2.5mg ed off cycle so no worries about starting it beforehand
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I am pretty darn gyno prone. I recommend aromasin to almost everybody instead of letro for a couple of reasons. The lipid situation is a HUGE one IMO. I also think that a little estrogen is a positive thing. Aromasin doesn't rid your body of nearly as much estrogen as Letro, but it does a good enough job to keep estrogen related sides under control.

I have been running a very low dose of suspension. I am counting on the other compounds I am running to do their jobs. I don't need to gain size right now. I need to drop size and increase strength while increasing cardio capacity. So I have only been running about 35mg ED. .25mg of letro E4D was more than enough to control my estrogen issues. Of course, when I threw in masteron and primo....I didn't have a big enough issue to need the letro any more. Both masteron and primo seem to help in that respect.

If you are running a high dose of test and including suspension, I would certainly run aromasin or letro. For letro, I use EOd or E3D. It hangs around long enough in your system to give it a bit of time between doses.
I would try aromasin first. I would also start 7-10 days with it before your suspension injections. I think this protocol came about because nolva takes a few days (up to two weeks according to something I read) to be effective as a SERM for out purposes. I think most folks now use that same notion for AIs as well, and I honestly don't know whether or not it matters. I do know that Suspension works fast enough that you probably want to be running your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) a little before hand.
 
you guys got me excited to run suspension now, thanks for the help swellin....obviously theres a reason ur a vet lol
 
Swellin said:
My true suspension is a UG lab. I used to make it in oil (which is a solution, not a suspension). The results were similar, but with the true suspension, the speed of results was even greater.
As for the AI...see below.



I am pretty darn gyno prone. I recommend aromasin to almost everybody instead of letro for a couple of reasons. The lipid situation is a HUGE one IMO. I also think that a little estrogen is a positive thing. Aromasin doesn't rid your body of nearly as much estrogen as Letro, but it does a good enough job to keep estrogen related sides under control.

I have been running a very low dose of suspension. I am counting on the other compounds I am running to do their jobs. I don't need to gain size right now. I need to drop size and increase strength while increasing cardio capacity. So I have only been running about 35mg ED. .25mg of letro E4D was more than enough to control my estrogen issues. Of course, when I threw in masteron and primo....I didn't have a big enough issue to need the letro any more. Both masteron and primo seem to help in that respect.

If you are running a high dose of test and including suspension, I would certainly run aromasin or letro. For letro, I use EOd or E3D. It hangs around long enough in your system to give it a bit of time between doses.
I would try aromasin first. I would also start 7-10 days with it before your suspension injections. I think this protocol came about because nolva takes a few days (up to two weeks according to something I read) to be effective as a SERM for out purposes. I think most folks now use that same notion for AIs as well, and I honestly don't know whether or not it matters. I do know that Suspension works fast enough that you probably want to be running your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) a little before hand.
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I've read quite a few studies on aromisan and maximum supression takes 24hrs, 7days seems overkill to me and a waste of money...maybe one of those bodybuilding myths that makes the rounds....

I havn't heard that Nolva takes 7-10days either maybe that came around from people trying to bump start there LH production before finishing the cycle???
 
Like I said, I think it came about because of old myths and I have not read anything about the time it takes for aromasin to do what you need.

If you have a link to the info on aromasin that you mentioned, I would love to read it. Thanks for your input.
 
I think I'll stick to letro though if I'm running suspension, aromasin wasn't enough for me on 500mg test e a week, still started getting gyno symptoms :(

weirdly enough I didn't bloat at all on dbol, but as soon as my test kicked in bam I was bloated and had puffy nips
 
how high of dosages are u running with the other compounds because i find the higher the dosages the less need for a kick start. However dbol is always nice
 
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