Z Blue Top Labs
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Four1Thr33
One Chance
thanks for this bro... always great for the community
Spongy
I am banned!
good stuff Heavy. Here's the issue that I have... I have seen multiple labs of Pharma Grade HGH that followed the same testing protocol as you followed, 10IU, test 3 hours later, and they have all come back well above 30. I have also seen testing on other generic labels that have tested between 40 and 50. I applaud Z and the rest of you guys for your transparency, but it is clear to me that there are still dosing issues with these blue tops.
All that said, thank you for posting these results but I would venture to say we are still looking at a product that is 50% dosed.
All that said, thank you for posting these results but I would venture to say we are still looking at a product that is 50% dosed.
Spongy
I am banned!
Better than .2 that for sure...
lol, this is true. I just had a serum test come back at .2 today. The search continues!
builtbeast
Uncoupling
Given all the bunk crap out there now I think most would be happy with those numbers. But it does seem to be about 50-60% of stated amount.
heavyiron
Community Veteran
Ouch! I had a few of those myself and the supplier immediately replaced them.
Mike Arnold
New member
Please find one single generic currently being sold giving readings of 50. Better yet, find ANY current GH products giving readings of 50.
Yes, those high numbers do occasonally happen, but you also need to remember that there is variance in these readings. Not everyone's response will be the same. 50 is really high...over-dosed. You say yourself that Pharm-grade GH (which is dosed perfectly) had readings of 30ish'.
So, if someone occasionally sells GH significantly over-dosed...great, but how many decently priced GH products are you going to find right now giving guys a reading of 50? Exactly. In fact, most GH products now are complete shit!
The point is that Pharm-grade GH is generally considered very good (and expensive), so even if Uncle's is not dosed quite as high as pharm-grade GH, that doesn't mean it's not good, especially when looking at it from a cost effective perspective.
If were looking at it from a cost effective perspective, we could use the following comparison. If you bought 50 IU of GH for $50 or 100IU of GH for $100, which one is the better deal? Using your number of 30 for pharm-grade GH, are you really getting a much better deal with the pharm-grade if your reading is 40% higher, but you have to pay twice as much?
If we know for a fact that Uncle's GH is legit, but not dosed as high as Pharmgrade, I tend to think of a good deal as whatever product gives me the most legitimate GH for my money. Personally, I wouldn't care if a generic brand contained only 25% as much GH as a pharm-grade kit if it only cost $25 a kit! Would you? Who cares how many bottles I have to go through, so long as I am paying a decent price for each IU of GH I get.
I just wanted to put a different slant on this because if the reading is the ONLY thing you look at when determining whether GH is a good deal, you could be missing out. Who gives a shit if some GH is the highest dosed ever, if it cost $1000 a kit! Know what I mean?
Anyway, I am glad we have some real GH.
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heavyiron
Community Veteran
About a year ago a friend of mine had Mass Spec done on various vials of Chinese generics and interestingly the different vials from different sources came back exactly 70% IU of what they were advertised. The purity was good but they were under dosed by the same amount. Unfortunately the Chinese have been screwing us for years. Many suppliers rely on the Chinese manufacturers to send correct product and they are in fact not sending properly dosed vials.
Anyway Mike raises a good point. It is still a good VALUE but we need to keep testing and reporting to the suppliers so they can lean on the manufacturers.
Anyway Mike raises a good point. It is still a good VALUE but we need to keep testing and reporting to the suppliers so they can lean on the manufacturers.
TraPump
Getting Bigger and Bigger
Well put heavy. And mike I think the point is that they've been Paying a certain price for a certain amount of time for GH readings above 30-50 and now since December maybe longer they been Payin the same price for bunk or under dosed
Gh. Fact is if the purity/doseage/quality of a product drops by more then 50% why should the price for said product remain the same.
Gh. Fact is if the purity/doseage/quality of a product drops by more then 50% why should the price for said product remain the same.
DaHurt
Motivated
Haha this argument doesn't exactly hold if your goal is to achieve a specific serum level, say as a bodybuilder who wants to maximize your results...
Just means you'll have to dose twice as much of the cheap shit...which means what?
Not very cheap.
Dr.Phoenix
New member
I totallt agree !
DaHurt
Motivated
This is very respectable!
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