MeatHead96
Jacked and Tan
This is a good point. The current diet looks good but the calories look pretty low to me for bulking. I would be dropping weight like a madman with that many calories.
14 days shouldn't be 14lbs
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This is a good point. The current diet looks good but the calories look pretty low to me for bulking. I would be dropping weight like a madman with that many calories.
Pinnacle@Rep
Muscles can't stop this..
Here is something to help back up what I am going to drop on you guys!!!! I found this on medhelp.org
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"Hi
My daughter has had a number of problems over the past year, many seeming to be triggered by an unwanted pregnancy which was terminated at 9 weeks, although some pre-dated that slightly. She has finally received a diagnosis that her prolactin levels are high (1975/UL) when the 'norm' is a maximum of 600, is starting on Cabergoline and has been referred for an MRI to check for a micro adenoma.
She has had a number of other problems, though, which we thought might be related (from our reading on the net), but the doctor we saw said not, and seemed to suggest that they were stress related ather than linked in any way to the prolactin levels. These problems include:
- bloating (which gets worse as she eats during a day)
- increased breast size and tenderness
- lactose
Galactose-1-phosphate uridyltransferase
Lactose intolerance
Lactose tolerance tests
intolerance
Celiac disease - sprue
Gestational diabetes
Lactose intolerance
, causing vomiting
- anxiety/depression
Do you have any views on this? She's very bothered that although she may get her periods back (which she hasn't really 'missed' because she hated having them anyway!), none of the other matters will be resolved and she will continue to look as though she's 7 months pregnant by the end of a day, and have enormous boobs! As she's a dancer, this is particularly concerning.
Thanks
Tags: hyperprolactinaemia, stress, symptoms"
Elevated Prolactin levels are DIRECTLY linked to BLOATING!!!!!!
Tren Enanthate has a much higher chance than Acetate to cause these higher levels of prolactin because of the esterification!!!
My suggestion to you is that your Prami or Caber or Letro you are using might be BUNK but I assure you there is nothing bunk about your Tren LOL....
Bring your Prolactin levels down and your bloat will disappear!!!
Go get bloods done.... Your prolactin will be high!!! Watch!!!
QUOTE
"Hi
My daughter has had a number of problems over the past year, many seeming to be triggered by an unwanted pregnancy which was terminated at 9 weeks, although some pre-dated that slightly. She has finally received a diagnosis that her prolactin levels are high (1975/UL) when the 'norm' is a maximum of 600, is starting on Cabergoline and has been referred for an MRI to check for a micro adenoma.
She has had a number of other problems, though, which we thought might be related (from our reading on the net), but the doctor we saw said not, and seemed to suggest that they were stress related ather than linked in any way to the prolactin levels. These problems include:
- bloating (which gets worse as she eats during a day)
- increased breast size and tenderness
- lactose
Galactose-1-phosphate uridyltransferase
Lactose intolerance
Lactose tolerance tests
intolerance
Celiac disease - sprue
Gestational diabetes
Lactose intolerance
, causing vomiting
- anxiety/depression
Do you have any views on this? She's very bothered that although she may get her periods back (which she hasn't really 'missed' because she hated having them anyway!), none of the other matters will be resolved and she will continue to look as though she's 7 months pregnant by the end of a day, and have enormous boobs! As she's a dancer, this is particularly concerning.
Thanks
Tags: hyperprolactinaemia, stress, symptoms"
Elevated Prolactin levels are DIRECTLY linked to BLOATING!!!!!!
Tren Enanthate has a much higher chance than Acetate to cause these higher levels of prolactin because of the esterification!!!
My suggestion to you is that your Prami or Caber or Letro you are using might be BUNK but I assure you there is nothing bunk about your Tren LOL....
Bring your Prolactin levels down and your bloat will disappear!!!
Go get bloods done.... Your prolactin will be high!!! Watch!!!
Pinnacle@Rep
Muscles can't stop this..
This is off of another board as well. I'll dig up as many articles about Prolactin and bloating as you want all day. There are hundreds to choose from.
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I am going to use some caber as i feel prolactin is to blame for current bloat and feelings of severe lethargy. I am thinking .5 twice weekly. How do you guys dose it and what were the results?
Merc..
07-04-2007, 05:39 PM
I am going to use some caber as i feel prolactin is to blame for current bloat and feelings of severe lethargy. I am thinking .5 twice weekly. How do you guys dose it and what were the results?
I use it at 250mcg (.5) twice a week ..
Merc..
07-04-2007, 05:49 PM
Also I wanted to say that it worked well for me. I was on a cycle and was having low sex drive and was very tired. Keep in mind that steroids (test)can lower T-3 and inturn raise prolaction so in my case it worked very well. Is your sex drive low also ??
perfectbeast2001
07-04-2007, 05:52 PM
well im running test so sex drive is up. However I am holding water and feeling dog tired all day. Arimidex has not helped with the bloat so it rules out estro sides. I am running GH too which i figure combined with deca is causing high prolactin levels.
Merc..
07-04-2007, 05:57 PM
well im running test so sex drive is up. However I am holding water and feeling dog tired all day. Arimidex has not helped with the bloat so it rules out estro sides. I am running GH too which i figure combined with deca is causing high prolactin levels.
Even on test I have experienced low sex drive ( due to prolactin) thats why I asked. Sounds like it could be a prolactin issue since your running a 19 nor . I would try the caber as it just might do the trick for ya.
Kratos
07-04-2007, 08:49 PM
I use .5 e4d with tren else you can cut diamonds with my nips
perfectbeast2001
07-05-2007, 12:12 AM
yes i have boticed my nips are rubbing on clothing more and becoming more sensitive. I just hope the caber arrives before i start lactating!!
Thx for the replies ppl!!
goonstopher
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I am going to use some caber as i feel prolactin is to blame for current bloat and feelings of severe lethargy. I am thinking .5 twice weekly. How do you guys dose it and what were the results?
Merc..
07-04-2007, 05:39 PM
I am going to use some caber as i feel prolactin is to blame for current bloat and feelings of severe lethargy. I am thinking .5 twice weekly. How do you guys dose it and what were the results?
I use it at 250mcg (.5) twice a week ..
Merc..
07-04-2007, 05:49 PM
Also I wanted to say that it worked well for me. I was on a cycle and was having low sex drive and was very tired. Keep in mind that steroids (test)can lower T-3 and inturn raise prolaction so in my case it worked very well. Is your sex drive low also ??
perfectbeast2001
07-04-2007, 05:52 PM
well im running test so sex drive is up. However I am holding water and feeling dog tired all day. Arimidex has not helped with the bloat so it rules out estro sides. I am running GH too which i figure combined with deca is causing high prolactin levels.
Merc..
07-04-2007, 05:57 PM
well im running test so sex drive is up. However I am holding water and feeling dog tired all day. Arimidex has not helped with the bloat so it rules out estro sides. I am running GH too which i figure combined with deca is causing high prolactin levels.
Even on test I have experienced low sex drive ( due to prolactin) thats why I asked. Sounds like it could be a prolactin issue since your running a 19 nor . I would try the caber as it just might do the trick for ya.
Kratos
07-04-2007, 08:49 PM
I use .5 e4d with tren else you can cut diamonds with my nips
perfectbeast2001
07-05-2007, 12:12 AM
yes i have boticed my nips are rubbing on clothing more and becoming more sensitive. I just hope the caber arrives before i start lactating!!
Thx for the replies ppl!!
goonstopher
Pinnacle@Rep
Muscles can't stop this..
Here is another one on another board. It is not uncommon at all for tren to cause bloat if you are prone to prolactin elevation!!!
Research is key!!! You can always figure out the problem!!!
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04-23-2006, 12:43 PM
Have any tren users exerienced water retention/bloat/edema while on?
During prep for my last contest I had several episodes lasting 3-5 days of moderate edema/bloat. I was taking 75mg test prop, 75 mg tren A, 50mg Masteron ED. Ive used prop and masteron before with no bloat. My feet and ankles swelled to the point I could hardly get my shoes on. At the same time I was doing 2-hours of cardio per day (split in 2 sessions). I was taking 200 mg of B-6 Ed, Aromasin, and Nolva, but no bromo or dostinex. Just wondering if Prolactin will cause water retention. Had no nipple problems. I dropped the tren and yohimbe at about 12 days before the contest and my edema went away.
I competed last Saturday and started the cycle again on Sunday minus the tren. So far no Edema. I think, unless I hear some horror stories, I will start the tren again at 50mg ED and monitor. :scratch:
fred9
04-23-2006, 02:45 PM
2 years ago i ran a tren-only(i know this is wrong), i also noticed some bloating (while i was cutting).....and if i remember corretly i read also somewhere else that the raise in prolactin can cause this...maybe someone with more knowledge about this subject can confirm this?!
The bloat wasnt as bad as a test/deca/dbol cycle, but it was a noticible...
How your contest go? Ill assume good
..
Bossman
04-23-2006, 03:41 PM
Thanks for the reply Fred. Im going to start the tren up again at just 50mg Ed and see how things go. Its acetate, so if its bothering me at all, Ill cut it out. Im also using test prop at 100mg Ed and Winstrol at 100 mg ED. Im probably going to add Masteron too.
The contest was a local "tune up" show for me. I took 2nd in masters and 3rd in Lt Hvy Open. One judge had me at 1st and 1st and that's where I thought I should have been. I blew the masters guy away in EVERY category. I was shocked they put me in 2nd. Then I heard he had won that masters show 3 times previously and was the home town favorite. I wont do that contest again.
2 years ago i ran a tren-only(i know this is wrong), i also noticed some bloating (while i was cutting).....and if i remember corretly i read also somewhere else that the raise in prolactin can cause this...maybe someone with more knowledge about this subject can confirm this?!
The bloat wasnt as bad as a test/deca/dbol cycle, but it was a noticible...
How your contest go? Ill assume good..
Research is key!!! You can always figure out the problem!!!
QUOTE
04-23-2006, 12:43 PM
Have any tren users exerienced water retention/bloat/edema while on?
During prep for my last contest I had several episodes lasting 3-5 days of moderate edema/bloat. I was taking 75mg test prop, 75 mg tren A, 50mg Masteron ED. Ive used prop and masteron before with no bloat. My feet and ankles swelled to the point I could hardly get my shoes on. At the same time I was doing 2-hours of cardio per day (split in 2 sessions). I was taking 200 mg of B-6 Ed, Aromasin, and Nolva, but no bromo or dostinex. Just wondering if Prolactin will cause water retention. Had no nipple problems. I dropped the tren and yohimbe at about 12 days before the contest and my edema went away.
I competed last Saturday and started the cycle again on Sunday minus the tren. So far no Edema. I think, unless I hear some horror stories, I will start the tren again at 50mg ED and monitor. :scratch:
fred9
04-23-2006, 02:45 PM
2 years ago i ran a tren-only(i know this is wrong), i also noticed some bloating (while i was cutting).....and if i remember corretly i read also somewhere else that the raise in prolactin can cause this...maybe someone with more knowledge about this subject can confirm this?!
The bloat wasnt as bad as a test/deca/dbol cycle, but it was a noticible...
How your contest go? Ill assume good
..Bossman
04-23-2006, 03:41 PM
Thanks for the reply Fred. Im going to start the tren up again at just 50mg Ed and see how things go. Its acetate, so if its bothering me at all, Ill cut it out. Im also using test prop at 100mg Ed and Winstrol at 100 mg ED. Im probably going to add Masteron too.
The contest was a local "tune up" show for me. I took 2nd in masters and 3rd in Lt Hvy Open. One judge had me at 1st and 1st and that's where I thought I should have been. I blew the masters guy away in EVERY category. I was shocked they put me in 2nd. Then I heard he had won that masters show 3 times previously and was the home town favorite. I wont do that contest again.
2 years ago i ran a tren-only(i know this is wrong), i also noticed some bloating (while i was cutting).....and if i remember corretly i read also somewhere else that the raise in prolactin can cause this...maybe someone with more knowledge about this subject can confirm this?!
The bloat wasnt as bad as a test/deca/dbol cycle, but it was a noticible...
How your contest go? Ill assume good
..
Pinnacle@Rep
Muscles can't stop this..
Don't think cause you're not a woman that the sides a woman gets from these elevated levels cannot happen to you!!!!
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Why Breast Size Increases During Your Period
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Sarena Ulibarri has been a web writer since 2008. She has contributed to various online publications. Ulibarri works as a reader for NYC Midnight's fiction and screenwriting contests, and her fiction and poetry have been published in "Scribendi" and "Conceptions Southwest." Ulibarri studied writing at the University of New Mexico and at the Gotham Writer's Workshop. Ulibarri is also a certified yoga instructor.
By Sarena Ulibarri, eHow Contributor
Breast size changes slightly with the hormone fluctuations that occur during a normal menstrual cycle. It is common for hormones or diet to cause breast size to increase during menstruation or just before menstruation.
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Progesterone
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One of the hormones that may be responsible for increased breast size during your period is progesterone. Progesterone levels are highest around the 21st day of your 28-day cycle.
Prolactin
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According to a 1985 study published by the American Cancer Society, there is a correlation between high prolactin levels and increased breast size during your period. Prolactin stimulates milk glands and cause breasts to swell. Prolactin levels are highest in the two weeks before menstruation.
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Hormone fluctuations during your menstrual cycle may cause fluid retention that manifests as abdominal bloating or increased breast size. Salt intake increases fluid retention.
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Excessive breast swelling may damage breast tissues. A 1992 study at Hôpital Necker in France found a correlation between breast swelling during menstruation and risk of breast cancer.
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Decreasing salt, caffeine and fat in your diet may help decrease breast swelling during your period. Water pills, birth control pills or synthetic androgen may be prescribed if lifestyle changes are insufficient.
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Why Breast Size Increases During Your Period
X
Sarena Ulibarri
Sarena Ulibarri has been a web writer since 2008. She has contributed to various online publications. Ulibarri works as a reader for NYC Midnight's fiction and screenwriting contests, and her fiction and poetry have been published in "Scribendi" and "Conceptions Southwest." Ulibarri studied writing at the University of New Mexico and at the Gotham Writer's Workshop. Ulibarri is also a certified yoga instructor.
By Sarena Ulibarri, eHow Contributor
Breast size changes slightly with the hormone fluctuations that occur during a normal menstrual cycle. It is common for hormones or diet to cause breast size to increase during menstruation or just before menstruation.
Other People Are Reading
* Post-Pregnancy Breast Growth
* Does Estrogen Stimulate Breast Growth
*
*
*
* Print this article
1.
Progesterone
*
One of the hormones that may be responsible for increased breast size during your period is progesterone. Progesterone levels are highest around the 21st day of your 28-day cycle.
Prolactin
*
According to a 1985 study published by the American Cancer Society, there is a correlation between high prolactin levels and increased breast size during your period. Prolactin stimulates milk glands and cause breasts to swell. Prolactin levels are highest in the two weeks before menstruation.
*
Sponsored Links
o New Health Care Benefits
You control your health care--not your insurance company. Learn more.
newhealthcarelaw.com
Fluid Retention
*
Hormone fluctuations during your menstrual cycle may cause fluid retention that manifests as abdominal bloating or increased breast size. Salt intake increases fluid retention.
Warning
*
Excessive breast swelling may damage breast tissues. A 1992 study at Hôpital Necker in France found a correlation between breast swelling during menstruation and risk of breast cancer.
Treatments
*
Decreasing salt, caffeine and fat in your diet may help decrease breast swelling during your period. Water pills, birth control pills or synthetic androgen may be prescribed if lifestyle changes are insufficient.
Sponsored Links
Read more: Why Breast Size Increases During Your Period | eHow.com Why Breast Size Increases During Your Period | eHow.com
NewChapter
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I know I had to be very careful about my sodium intake because of bloating. Im definately not a diet expert but It looks to me like you definately need more carbs post workout for bulking. When you eat a lot of carbs post workout it sets off a cascade of hormone changes that favors the rebuilding of muscle mass. This includes a rise in insulin which not only forces protien into the muscles but helps stabilize testosterone levels. The to most important times of the day for LBM building is when you get up and your body is depleated from sleeping and post workout. Post workout try something like 8oz of turkey breast 2/3 cup of cooked rice and 1 whole grain bagel per your macros 1096/4/177/78. Seriously take a look at your sodium intake though... Hope this helps!
Kevin
Kevin
Four1Thr33
One Chance
Ok about the diet... I know it sucked before i really threw my life away afyer
The marines Trust me when i say i know my errors and have more then corrected my mestakes .....I built it arUnd 3js bulk diet
Just weights changed to suit my TDEE
Of 2800 this me now starting my bulk 500cal over.
About my prami it is from RUI about
Positive that's real.
My letro is asta-gain but I just started that today but I'm sure that's real too
The marines Trust me when i say i know my errors and have more then corrected my mestakes .....I built it arUnd 3js bulk diet
Just weights changed to suit my TDEE
Of 2800 this me now starting my bulk 500cal over.
About my prami it is from RUI about
Positive that's real.
My letro is asta-gain but I just started that today but I'm sure that's real too
Four1Thr33
One Chance
Thank u keven for that info. Was actually wondering what to add to get my carbs higher and closer to 300.
Pinnacle@Rep
Muscles can't stop this..
Get your bloods done, I gaurantee you have prolactin sides!!!!
Four1Thr33
One Chance
I will get bloods done pretty soon but will try to rectify first. Started adex yesterday and took my prami from .25 to .50 last night. Weight is still kinda idol this morning sitting at 184.6
I will also add I have no different body feelings today then before cycle started ,,
I will also add I have no different body feelings today then before cycle started ,,
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Four1Thr33
One Chance
I'll keep everyone posted I'm sure someone might have the same problems and can get
Info from this post.
I planed getting bloods drawn week 5 anyways I kinda don't see to much a point yet .
Per say I do have high prolactin, to treat it I would be doing the same thing I am doing right now by taking my .5 prami Dailey but if I wait a few I can watch for more signs and bloods will tell me if my prami is even doing its job..
Info from this post.
I planed getting bloods drawn week 5 anyways I kinda don't see to much a point yet .
Per say I do have high prolactin, to treat it I would be doing the same thing I am doing right now by taking my .5 prami Dailey but if I wait a few I can watch for more signs and bloods will tell me if my prami is even doing its job..
DADAWG
Community Veteran
yes its unusual BUT there are a number of reasons to get that big that fast .
prolactin from the tren
estrogen from the test
you may be one of those blessed with a extra androgen receptors or worse one of those who develops prolactin easily.
rebound weight gain
last and definately NOT least , you are reaping the rewards of working with 3J on your diet
my guess after DECADES in this game is you have some combination of the above.
UNLESS your look so bloated they think your the michelin man or the bloat is giving you high blood pressure [ GET THIS CHECKED , ITS IMPORTANT ] i would be doing cart wheels instead of worrying about it lol.
as info , the lab rats ive seen on pinnacle tren did not excessivly bloat and gave the typical sides and gains associated with tren eth.
prolactin from the tren
estrogen from the test
you may be one of those blessed with a extra androgen receptors or worse one of those who develops prolactin easily.
rebound weight gain
last and definately NOT least , you are reaping the rewards of working with 3J on your diet
my guess after DECADES in this game is you have some combination of the above.
UNLESS your look so bloated they think your the michelin man or the bloat is giving you high blood pressure [ GET THIS CHECKED , ITS IMPORTANT ] i would be doing cart wheels instead of worrying about it lol.
as info , the lab rats ive seen on pinnacle tren did not excessivly bloat and gave the typical sides and gains associated with tren eth.
Four1Thr33
One Chance
Thanks dawg your response breaths a little more confidence into my not being fucked lol
With my prami now maxed and my adex maxed if it is water/bloat related is it a quick fix or takes time to drop the water ?
I honestly don't feel to bloated but I feel a little more jiggly in the mid section. My friends said I look the same and I'm just insane
I have been reading more up on prolactin sides and they seem pretty to notice so I'll keep a close eye on breast swelling and sensitivity as well
Another part of this could be I dropped cardio with I started bulking. I was doing 5 hours a week now nothing. I figured id be fine, I guess it's back to cardio
Had my blood pressure, halter moniter and stress test done like 2 weeks ago all perfectly health and normal
With my prami now maxed and my adex maxed if it is water/bloat related is it a quick fix or takes time to drop the water ?
I honestly don't feel to bloated but I feel a little more jiggly in the mid section. My friends said I look the same and I'm just insane
I have been reading more up on prolactin sides and they seem pretty to notice so I'll keep a close eye on breast swelling and sensitivity as well
Another part of this could be I dropped cardio with I started bulking. I was doing 5 hours a week now nothing. I figured id be fine, I guess it's back to cardio
Had my blood pressure, halter moniter and stress test done like 2 weeks ago all perfectly health and normal
DADAWG
Community Veteran
double check your bp , if your bloated bad it will be high imo. if not ENJOY the ride .
before you change cardio or diet check with 3 J imo.
3J
Super Moderator
def do this
Four1Thr33
One Chance
in case anyone was actually following this post... i got my weight to drop to 181 so that is now a 11lb increase in the past 16 days..
i just had 3J review my before start and right now pics to see if there was anything visual wrong with me like bloating. he said i looked leaner and not to worry.. so i am now breathing a lot easier.. and despite my own negative thought process, my gym friends have been making alot of positive comments..
moral of the story, i think i just gained alot of real weight with a little water
i just had 3J review my before start and right now pics to see if there was anything visual wrong with me like bloating. he said i looked leaner and not to worry.. so i am now breathing a lot easier.. and despite my own negative thought process, my gym friends have been making alot of positive comments..
moral of the story, i think i just gained alot of real weight with a little water
chapaholic
New member
good read.
Pinnacle@Rep
Muscles can't stop this..
Bro, just keep hitting your pins, pumping the iron, and eating properly. Give this gear the OPEN MIND it needs to take charge of your diet, lifting, and body.... You will see!!! Just keep your mind positive and don't think about it and just do it!!!! You will be amazed by week 8 to 10!!!! Promise!!!
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