2 months after pct and total test syrum is 299. help please

[jozifp103]

just got bloods done and 2 months out of pct my total serum testosterone is 299. LH and FSH are within the normal range 4.8 and 4.0 respectively. Estradiol 18.7. In my pct i ran torem 120/90/60/30 and nolva 20/20/20/20 along with osta 25mg/day then continued it 4 weeks after pct t 15mg/day. Im about 1 1/2 months off the osta but i'm thinking that the osta hindered my recovery. I've read mixed reviews on osta during pct. some recovered fine and some didnt. i feel fine but the bloods don't lie. body weight is still close to what it was on cycle with slightly more fat but strength has stayed pretty consistent since pct. Started DAA this morning and ordered two bottles of n2bm bridge and will be taking tribulus and horny goat weed as well. Will get bloods done in about six weeks. how does that sound? or should i get on a serm? i have nolva on hand, hcg and adex, should i stick with the natty boosters or use the heavier stuff? i have a cycle ready to go in may and i want to be all squared away before i do so.

 

[China_Wall]

What was your test serum before the cycle?

And it could take a few more months to recover, give it time

 

[jozifp103]

It was in the upper 400's. not great for a 24 y/o. Not sure about the Lh and fsh. So this is not uncommon even with a proper pct? Do You think it could Be the osta? And would mid may still be a realistic time to start my next cycle?

 

[old&stacked]

With some folks every cycle they do your rebound test level tend to be lower than your last. Keep that in mind.

 

[jozifp103]

Ya I'd like to think I'm not one of those people. I'm thinking its just the ostarine that kept me suppressed. My nuts were bulging during the last week of pct and slowly softened up again during the next 4 weeks of continued osta use. I've been told that mini pct is needed after 4 or more weeks of osta and I didn't do that So maybe my body is still recovering from the osta.

 

[jozifp103]

anyone else have an idea of what i should do or if this is normal?

 

[clman8585]

This all seems pretty normal and expected. You had low test. You did steroids. Now, you still have low test. Not sure what part of the equation I'm missing. But this all seems to add up.

 

[clman8585]

Id run clomid 50mg e3d for a month or two. I was just like you, low test at a young age. I now run this protocol off cycle and have test in the 700s

 

[uberlit]

Ostarine is suppressive so it should never be part of a proper PCT. I would recommend 25mg clomid and 3 grams DAA each day for a month then get blood tests done again.

 

[jozifp103]

Id run clomid 50mg e3d for a month or two. I was just like you, low test at a young age. I now run this protocol off cycle and have test in the 700s

So basically you extend pct an extra 2 months? I have Nolva will that work as well? And I have a cycle planned for mid may. 600mg test e 12 weeks and 60mg tbol 6weeks. Do you think it is still realistic to start my cycle then? I know bloods will be the true determinant and I will get bloods just wondering if I should get my hopes up.

 

[clman8585]

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. You want to recover your test, and then run another cycle in may? Seems crazy to me. If you are going to continue to play the anabolic rollercoaster when you already have low test..you need to just get on tet already.

 

[jozifp103]

I honestly think it is low due to running osta during and after pct. when I got the bloods done that read in the 400's it was after an ostarine cycle. I think my natty levels are higher than 400's. I am not going to start my cycle until I get bloods and levels are restored. I will try the clomid route and if levels are still low I will see an endocrinologist. I want to have kids someday so I'm Not sure how trt will affect that.

 

[clman8585]

Do what I did. Im taking an entire year off of the juice. I feel awesome as ever too. After the year I will 're evaluate my situation and figure it out then. But for now, I'm done playing the hormone rollercoaster. Good luck brother.

 

[jozifp103]

thanks for the advice. I noticed also that my LH and FSH were in normal ranges. LH was 4.8 (1.7-8.6 being the range) and FSH was 4.0 (1.5-12.4). could this mean that my lh and fsh is recovered but i lost some sensitivity to it? possibly due to hcg? i ran it 250iu 2x a week from week 3-13.

 

[jozifp103]

Sorry I just have so many questions. If anyone has an answer to some or all of my questions I'd love to hear some input. Thanks to all who have replied so far I am considering all advice I just want a few more questions answered.

 

[jozifp103]

such as my lh and fsh levels being in range but test being low. Ive been reading a little more into osta and it says that it lowers total test but also lowers shbg which keeps free test in normal range despite the low total T. it also says it has no affect on lh or fsh.

 

[Toshiro]

At that level what about TRT? Just stay on a replacement dose then blast instead of yo-yo'ing up and down. Unless you want to get clean and stay that way for long-term?

 

[jozifp103]

Because as I stated earlier, I don't think that is my baseline test level, I think I am still recovering from the osta after pct. and also I want to have kids someday as I stated earlier also. Please read all posts before answering.

 

[jozifp103]

that being said...anyone have any idea about the low test/normal lh and fsh question?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

that being said...anyone have any idea about the low test/normal lh and fsh question?

You are primary hypogonadal, which is indicitave of normal/high LH and FSH values but low test. That means your brains working normally, telling your balls to produce test but your balls aren't responding. You should see an Endocrinologist and discuss your options. As far as I'm aware restart protocols either aren't possible or usually unsuccessful in primary hypogonadal males.

As for TRT you can definetly still have kids on it, it is by no means an effective birth control method. Adding HCG to the protocol keeps you 99% safe in that regard aswell. Alternatively you could always have some sperm frozen if your really worried.