3 weeks into TRT...................

[Alpin]

Three weeks in TRT...
I never ran Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so this is a first. 400 i.u. 2-3 times a week and 1/4 tab ADEX EOD with 160 mg/7days.
Been on 15 mg of paxil since cutting it down from 20 mg paxil in March 2013.
I find it hard to wind down and relax especially at the dinner table. I feel myself blinking when eating...like I'm nervous...and I feel jittery too. I don't eat relaxed.
I started to feel like this last night when eating around 9:30 pm...I must have gotten scared cause heart started to pound and I got up from the table.
I had taken ADEX 0.25 mg earlier in the day.
I feel way too alert and too high strung....
like I said never run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before with T....only T and on 20 mg paxil. I only felt like this maybe a couple times during my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for 2.5 yrs but I was on 20 mg paxil.
This time around it is different.
Thinking of dumping TRT...and staying on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) only and see what comes of it.
Maybe Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is raising T as well ???
or they are exciting nerve pathways or increasing too many neurotransmitters....???
I don't want to have a stroke...
I use to be way more relaxed and ate peacefully at dinner table....
I feel more tense into this program.
I haven't seen labs...but called my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc to inform....he was not in today but left message with his receptionist.
I think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) also stimulates something....maybe E2, DHEA and all this stuff converts into additional T ???
ADEX in this protocol could be making all this more bio available.
Just thinking of possibilities.........

 

[Megatron28]

You may not be used to having normal testosterone levels given how long your hypogonadism went untreated. Body needs to get used to it again. It also sounds like cognitive therapy with a psychologist or psychiatrust would be of great benefit to you.

 

[Alpin]

You may not be used to having normal testosterone levels given how long your hypogonadism went untreated. Body needs to get used to it again. It also sounds like cognitive therapy with a psychologist or psychiatrust would be of great benefit to you.

I noticed it happening toward the last 3-4 months while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) the last time...
But this time it feels kind of more intense...there is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) added as well this time around and less paxil. Don't feel depressed or anything. What would the psychologist do?
They would more than likely tell you to discontinue what is bothering you and live as you were.

 

[Alpin]

Not arguing with you here...but the lower T levels I had were not really defined as "hypogonadism" by this endo I saw this week. I told him I was on ADEX monotherapy and that's why the levels were slightly within normal range.
He said my body got used to the high T levels I had when on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for so long.

 

[Megatron28]

I noticed it happening toward the last 3-4 months while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) the last time...
But this time it feels kind of more intense...there is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) added as well this time around and less paxil. Don't feel depressed or anything. What would the psychologist do?
They would more than likely tell you to discontinue what is bothering you and live as you were.

They could help you learn how to cope with the negative talk going through your head to use a psych term. And help you learn how to control your anxiety/panic attacks.

 

[Megatron28]

Not arguing with you here...but the lower T levels I had were not really defined as "hypogonadism" by this endo I saw this week. I told him I was on ADEX monotherapy and that's why the levels were slightly within normal range.
He said my body got used to the high T levels I had when on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for so long.

We all know you previous and current docs are retards. Your TT levels are clearly hypogonadal and that's even with the lift you have been getting from Adex.

 

[Alpin]

We all know you previous and current docs are retards. Your TT levels are clearly hypogonadal and that's even with the lift you have been getting from Adex.

Well I thank you for coming back and clarifying this...
I've asked your opinion on what/how the Adex may have enhanced my Natty T but I never heard back.
I think I might have gone too much into this...
I should have started with 80-100 mg/week to get body use to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) again. My body is probably convulsing inside from the sudden change.
Stupid me....
160 mg is way too much at the outset...
I just ate some yogurt and feel kind of the same thing I did last night....
Is this blood sugar related?
I just become real alert and I think it's triggering anxiety.

 

[jomamma007]

it's definitely anxiety, same thing happened with me. This would happen either when my estrogen was too low or too high. And after I ate something it would get worse, I could hear my heart beating and if i tried to sleep after I couldn't because I could hear it beating as I laid my head on my pillow. I thought I had diabetes or something but when I fixed my estrogen I was fine and it slowly subsided. This anxiety would give me limitless energy, I would box for 3 hours, eat a banana then go to the gym for a full body 2 hour workout with 30 minutes cardio after it was rediculous. I went from 202 fat boy to 183 in 5 weeks with abs, I was superman, but was super anxious.

160 is a higher starting point, on 100 my test levels are around 1000 but everybody's different. Really, you need blood work. You might be bringing your estrogen down too low.

Also you say you're thinking about dumping test and just sticking with hcg... I would disagree with this approach. Ever since dropping the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 3 weeks ago the anxousness I've been describing has subsided. All I take is 100mgs a week of test, split up into two injections, no hcg, no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) needed. Simple and I feel pretty good. Anytime I put Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) into the mix I would always get anxious even when my estrogen was supposedly in range according to blood work. The boys haven't shrunk either!

 

[Megatron28]

I've asked your opinion on what/how the Adex may have enhanced my Natty T but I never heard back.

I think you heard quite a bit from me and other on this matter. See the link below to a thread started by you.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/t...9182-3rd-week-trt-feel-tired-unmotivated.html

 

[Alpin]

it's definitely anxiety, same thing happened with me. This would happen either when my estrogen was too low or too high. And after I ate something it would get worse, I could hear my heart beating and if i tried to sleep after I couldn't because I could hear it beating as I laid my head on my pillow. I thought I had diabetes or something but when I fixed my estrogen I was fine and it slowly subsided. This anxiety would give me limitless energy, I would box for 3 hours, eat a banana then go to the gym for a full body 2 hour workout with 30 minutes cardio after it was rediculous. I went from 202 fat boy to 183 in 5 weeks with abs, I was superman, but was super anxious.

160 is a higher starting point, on 100 my test levels are around 1000 but everybody's different. Really, you need blood work. You might be bringing your estrogen down too low.

Also you say you're thinking about dumping test and just sticking with hcg... I would disagree with this approach. Ever since dropping the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 3 weeks ago the anxousness I've been describing has subsided. All I take is 100mgs a week of test, split up into two injections, no hcg, no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) needed. Simple and I feel pretty good. Anytime I put Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) into the mix I would always get anxious even when my estrogen was supposedly in range according to blood work. The boys haven't shrunk either!

Thank you for replying this is what happened to me...exactly as you said. The only way I have been able to come down in the last 2 days is exhausting myself. I must have done 20 sets for quads...heart pounds and feel panicky. Took a sip of coffee before workout and it made things worse and I chucked it. Till the tired feeling sets in...
what the fuck is this??? high or low E2 ?
I called doc today and told them everything. He wasn't in. Hopefully he clues in and tells me what it is...
I'm not hungry either...I go to eat and I get up all nervous.

 

[Megatron28]

Thank you for replying this is what happened to me...exactly as you said. The only way I have been able to come down in the last 2 days is exhausting myself. I must have done 20 sets for quads...heart pounds and feel panicky. Took a sip of coffee before workout and it made things worse and I chucked it. Till the tired feeling sets in...
what the fuck is this??? high or low E2 ?
I called doc today and told them everything. He wasn't in. Hopefully he clues in and tells me what it is...
I'm not hungry either...I go to eat and I get up all nervous.

How much longer until you get your labs back?

 

[Alpin]

I was only taking 0.25 mg ADEX EOD during this 3 weeks...
Every 7 days 160 mg T and 400 i.u. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Every second or third day...
I noticed this happen last night...took the ADEX early afternoon.
Was using a new protein powder since Tuesday with Stevia leaf....don't know if it was a stimulant or not.
I'm sensitive to stimulants

 

[Alpin]

How much longer until you get your labs back?

well I called today she never said anything...let's see what he says. I will call again Monday...
As long as I don't take any HCG, Aromatase inhibitor (AI), T in the next few days I should be ok. What ever it is should wash out...
I'll be careful and dump the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for sure.

 

[Alpin]

When I did a cycle(my one time only) I don't remember feeling like this...
I never took an AI...just Nolva back then

 

[Alpin]

it's definitely anxiety, same thing happened with me. This would happen either when my estrogen was too low or too high. And after I ate something it would get worse, I could hear my heart beating and if i tried to sleep after I couldn't because I could hear it beating as I laid my head on my pillow. I thought I had diabetes or something but when I fixed my estrogen I was fine and it slowly subsided. This anxiety would give me limitless energy, I would box for 3 hours, eat a banana then go to the gym for a full body 2 hour workout with 30 minutes cardio after it was rediculous. I went from 202 fat boy to 183 in 5 weeks with abs, I was superman, but was super anxious.

160 is a higher starting point, on 100 my test levels are around 1000 but everybody's different. Really, you need blood work. You might be bringing your estrogen down too low.

Also you say you're thinking about dumping test and just sticking with hcg... I would disagree with this approach. Ever since dropping the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 3 weeks ago the anxousness I've been describing has subsided. All I take is 100mgs a week of test, split up into two injections, no hcg, no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) needed. Simple and I feel pretty good. Anytime I put Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) into the mix I would always get anxious even when my estrogen was supposedly in range according to blood work. The boys haven't shrunk either!

what about sperm count ?

 

[Megatron28]

When I did a cycle(my one time only) I don't remember feeling like this...
I never took an AI...just Nolva back then

Anxiety typically gets worse as you get older. It generally starts getting bad when you are inur 20's. How old were you when you ran your cycle?

 

[Alpin]

Anxiety typically gets worse as you get older. It generally starts getting bad when you are inur 20's. How old were you when you ran your cycle?

mid twenties...
but this ain't normal anxiety....

 

[Megatron28]

well I called today she never said anything...let's see what he says. I will call again Monday...
As long as I don't take any HCG, Aromatase inhibitor (AI), T in the next few days I should be ok. What ever it is should wash out...
I'll be careful and dump the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for sure.

Why would you end testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) three weeks in? That's crazy talk. Fight through the anxiety. It should get better as your levels stabilize.

If you think the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or adex is doing it, you can stop either of them. But keep taking the test cyp. Get labs after a month and see if E2 has gotten too high or low.

 

[Megatron28]

mid twenties...
but this ain't normal anxiety....

Never is normal. Or call it a panic attack if you think that's a better label.

 

[Austinite]

Megatron, I hope your efforts are appreciated by members in this section as much as I do. You're certainly bringing life to this section.