3 weeks into TRT...................

Megatron28 said:
Apollon: do you supplement Taurine? Its miracles have been recounted many times on 'Ology. But it may also help with anxiety. The following is from Wikipedia.


According to animal studies, taurine produces an anxiolytic effect and may act as a modulator or antianxiety agent in the central nervous system by activating the glycine receptor
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where do I get this...and how much and when to take ?
thanks
I don't know bro...I use to shoot 200 mg/week of T and no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I was confident as a bull.
I went up to 750 mg/week of T once when I did that cycle....no gyno e.t.c.
BP was in check and no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) then either...
who the hell knows ?????
 
When I took that Aromatase inhibitor (AI) 0.25 mg...after an hour or so... I would feel like my alertness was heightened....
 
APOLLON said:
where do I get this...and how much and when to take ?
thanks
I don't know bro...I use to shoot 200 mg/week of T and no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I was confident as a bull.
I went up to 750 mg/week of T once when I did that cycle....no gyno e.t.c.
BP was in check and no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) then either...
who the hell knows ?????
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You are probably older and fatter now. Your body probably responds differently. Plus you let your hypogonadism go untreated for so long that probably messed your body and mind up too.

You can get taurine on Amazon or at the local pharmacy. It is over the counter. Research it on this site and you will learn a lot about it.
 
Megatron28 said:
You are probably older and fatter now. Your body probably responds differently. Plus you let your hypogonadism go untreated for so long that probably messed your body and mind up too.

You can get taurine on Amazon or at the local pharmacy. It is over the counter. Research it on this site and you will learn a lot about it.
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And we now have a Endo that appeared into the picture and wants me to go on clomid for 3 months(dose undecided)...
he told me he would call me and tell me. I left his office mid week last week and he told me to go off T to go on clomid 3 months and then nothing after that to see what my body does. He hasn't phoned back with script. But ordered me off T...who do these guys think they are?????
Sorry...not letting these guys mess me up again. I bet you he is willing to put me thru hell again...
I took that study into my family doc in July...he just sat on it and then gives it to the endo like it is a great idea. He wouldn't prescribe it to me....said it was "off label" and it could give me breast cancer....
Family doc is now pushing for it....but he won't write it he said. He stated his position from the beginning.
My T.T. might raise to 12 or 13 while on clomid and then he pulls me off...
My real testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc says it won't do nothing for me....he doesn't even use it.
I was clean for 16 months except ADEX and no improvement in Total T.
This endo says 265 ng/dl is not really low...cause Bio T is in mid range...
it's in mid range cause of ADEX.
 
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APOLLON said:
Were you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at the time this happened ?
Can you describe your protocol ?
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Yes, the first major episode of anxiety started about 3 months after I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I dont attribute the anxiety to the test or to the hcG. It had to be the low estrogen resulting from too much adex. The first 3 months of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I took no Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but when my e started to elevate, I hopped on .5mg adex e3d. The anxiety started a few weeks after I initiated the adex. I had levels retested and e was below 10 on a sensitive assay. Stopped adex after that point and the anxiety subsided.
my protocol has changed alot since i started in february of 2013. Im currently taking 90mg e4d along with 320iu hcG e4d. Since this is the highest dosing protocol ive tried so far, im also taking .25mg adex once a week.
 
Hows going on clomid for 3 months and then going off it going to restore your endogenous T ?
At this stage of my life when I had 16 months to recover and was on ADEX too and it never took me over 291 ng/dl T.T.
I doubt this will do anything.
 
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willnorthwest said:
Yes, the first major episode of anxiety started about 3 months after I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I dont attribute the anxiety to the test or to the hcG. It had to be the low estrogen resulting from too much adex. The first 3 months of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I took no Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but when my e started to elevate, I hopped on .5mg adex e3d. The anxiety started a few weeks after I initiated the adex. I had levels retested and e was below 10 on a sensitive assay. Stopped adex after that point and the anxiety subsided.
my protocol has changed alot since i started in february of 2013. Im currently taking 90mg e4d along with 320iu hcG e4d. Since this is the highest dosing protocol ive tried so far, im also taking .25mg adex once a week.
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I hear you...
But ADEX only has a half life of 48 hours....
that one week dose only works for a couple days and then the E2 shoots back up.
You take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with T same day?
I need to keep some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) going too for fertility....
trying to decide what day to do it.

I want to shoot my T once a week....
Lets' say T is shot sunday....what day and dose should Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be run at ?
 
Megatron28 said:
You are probably older and fatter now. Your body probably responds differently. Plus you let your hypogonadism go untreated for so long that probably messed your body and mind up too.

You can get taurine on Amazon or at the local pharmacy. It is over the counter. Research it on this site and you will learn a lot about it.
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How do you think it messed my mind up ?
body too?
tell me more.....
 
APOLLON said:
I hear you...
But ADEX only has a half life of 48 hours....
that one week dose only works for a couple days and then the E2 shoots back up.
You take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with T same day?
I need to keep some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) going too for fertility....
trying to decide what day to do it.

I want to shoot my T once a week....
Lets' say T is shot sunday....what day and dose should Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be run at ?
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That's not true. It keeps working after 48 hours. Half of the adex is still active in you body after 48 hours. One quarter of the adex is still active after 96 hours. And so on.
 
Megatron28 said:
That's not true. It keeps working after 48 hours. Half of the adex is still active in you body after 48 hours. One quarter of the adex is still active after 96 hours. And so on.
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No wonder I fucked myself up...EOD was much...
Even when Natty it crashed it.....last lab came back <46 pmol/L
But never felt the panic, anxiety.
 
Yesterday was my entire 160 mg T...I'll see if I can adjust that to x2 pins a week...problem is how do I do accurate labs when doc wants 48 hours after T shot blood tests....
Took 300 i.u. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in afternoon....not really anxious today. I think I will take it E4D...
I'm concerned my BP may rise or after some time the E2 will climb up...
I wonder if Nolva could be run here as an alternative 10 mg EOD or E3D
 
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Still can't understand why your doctor would want bloods done at the peak, most doctors are looking for your trough TT level.

Taking Cialis is a great way to keep your BP down and is good for the prostate as well and then there is that added bonus of sexual benefits.
 
Spunkey71 said:
Still can't understand why your doctor would want bloods done at the peak, most doctors are looking for your trough TT level.

Taking Cialis is a great way to keep your BP down and is good for the prostate as well and then there is that added bonus of sexual benefits.
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until it goes generic...it's just way too costly here. I hear you though.
 
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