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You guys should watch walking with the apes....its a new movie being shown in college about evolution...Where they finally do new DNA tests and prove we are NOT descendants of any monkey/ape...and they now have no idea where we came from, our genes are too unique.

Huh...there goes the theory of evolution ;)

As for the minister....well by that ideology all cops are crooks, all atheists have no moral values and are wicked and will backstab you, all muslims fly airplanes into buildings....etc,etc...Your essentially using the same thing a racist does, choosing one failure and using it to insult the whole.

You should know better RJ, I am all for keeping it intelligent and civil...if you are able to.

To us a minister doing that is like a fallen angel, a servant of the enemy. A way for him to destroy trust in God and ruin families and peoples lives. Following God does not make anyone impervious to the influence of the enemy, but if their heart is in it it can make them quite resistant.

Americas problem, is too many different opinions living in one place. It is mans nature to destroy that which opposes, it is mans nature to overcome that which impedes his progress. America has not moved forward in years due to the left and right, and wont until America breaks apart into smaller nations and each one takes on its own United view.


Is that the college that Tom Cruise goes too? You know, the one on sunset?

I'd love to see this film, where can I see this? What "new" dna testing are they doing?
 
Did you just call me stupid Zero?

Listen, i don't make excuses for people to justify the bullshit i believe in. Which is what you did. I didn't lump every person "of god" together because of this sick fuck. It was actually a joke as I saw it right after i read this thread, which you once again turned into a chance to spew religion as the answer. I don't need to watch some video about evolution. You know why? Because you want me to watch it so I will believe that evolution is bullshit. So you can be right and prove more of your god crap is the answer.

You stop doing that and I'll stop giving my opinion on how much bullshit it is. The truth is you have no idea what God's will is, nor if their is a God. You just 'believe' in him and all the crap you were taught. Thats my biggest problem with religion.

I never claim to know what is really out there, or why were here, or how we got here. The truth is, i don't give a fuck. I enjoy every minute of life because its my life, not because of some god damn fairy tale that i was told to believe 'just because' when i was a kid and didn't have the balls to question why?

So I'm not gonna get mention another thing about religion again, especially with you because a) you basically just called me ignorant and b) you have a closed mind when it comes to the fairy tale. I don't try to sway anyone's opinion by spitting out shit that I have no idea if its true or not.

I just live.

Actually I called you nothing, just pointed out the link you posted had no reason or merit to be here. Lets not make our own butts raw in a psychosomatic fashion.

You went from proclaiming our neutral understanding and maturity, to making a post in-line with an teen insulting is friends faith. I am fine with your views, but far too often is the more liberal view calling the other narrow minded the one walking a narrow path in which all else offends it and if you are offended by it you are wrong.

Is that the college that Tom Cruise goes too? You know, the one on sunset?

I'd love to see this film, where can I see this? What "new" dna testing are they doing?

Negative, Ohio State University, Columbus State, and from a buddy several other colleges across America. Its part of the old scientists mindless dribble being pushed aside by new peeps. You know it was essentially "career suicide" to go against the theories set forth by the earlier scientists in the 1900's who created the whole modern design of evolution? Well that old fog of lies is breaking, and people are starting to do some real science, and get real results.

The professor said if you cant find it in the Internet(logged into a V-classroom) you can find it on Netflix.

They went in and done core testing on DNA samples of our "missing link" ancestors remains they used to justify the religion of evolution. Turns out, no links. Improvements in DNA decoding, and testing, standard increase in technology as time goes on and we increase in knowledge. To that extent we do not match any current species in any form.

Evolution is a religion, based on faith y'know. And of course your going to have pissed off old school scientists/professors who will not accept this...until they are forced to(as science is a process). It was really their only way of clinging onto their own faith in something outside of God. Alot of research is beginning to surface that is at odds against the current theories of evolution. Most of it gets blockaded though. Remember, truth is not always permitted in the presence of those filled with fear and anger ;)

Tednatas, I would like to keep civil with you, but it seems hard for you to stand on mutual grounds...
 
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I'll have to check this out but I'm of course skeptical. And bro if it comes down to evidence maybe we are not chimps as you suggest, but how do you prove that there is some magical ghost whos is our "lord"
 
"Remember, truth is not always permitted in the presence of those filled with fear and anger "

in this not the basis of religion as a whole? You know..fire and brimstone? organized religion is destrcutive and responsible for more deaths then.......ummmm yeah
 
"Remember, truth is not always permitted in the presence of those filled with fear and anger "

in this not the basis of religion as a whole? You know..fire and brimstone? organized religion is destrcutive and responsible for more deaths then.......ummmm yeah

I'll have to check this out but I'm of course skeptical. And bro if it comes down to evidence maybe we are not chimps as you suggest, but how do you prove that there is some magical ghost whos is our "lord"


Makes sense to be skeptical lol, in fact thats common sense. Technically right now I am just a guy over the internet. Hence why I gave you the info to find the vid, plus do some digging in current evolution theory, its going stupid all over the place. Some scientists will even tell you we are now evolved from flatworms, not monkeys.....yeh...there is a limit.


As for God....Alot of science is pointing to "Intelligent Design" but no specifici religion.

My life has been deeply affected by my faith, hence my conviction in it. I have had prayers answered in unexplainable ways, even experienced healing, and watched a brother at chuch with Xrays of his knees with his ACL and other tendons utterly destroyed be carried in crying and end up running around jumping and praising the Lord. Same guy who took a sledge hammer to the skull full force while working on an oil rig and was supposed to be a vegetable for life...

I have experienced the psychological and emotional comfort of my faith, My God. And it has made me a stronger person than I could ever be otherwise. Not crutches per say, but building blocks for something greater.

I try not to go off on other religions, or even atheism if I can resist because I do not have all the answers. I have seen unexplainable things, dealt with things you would not believe and probably call me a liar or crazy.

My faith is not based on the book called the Bible, its based on experience in my life surrounding the book called the Bible.

Your telling me choosing and believing in a deity is any crazier than the big bang theory, and life coming from nothing? Where did life come from even without a deity, the theories are just as based on a religious fervor and faith as being a Christian.

Its pick your poison, I know what I know, and you know what you know, and to each of is it is the truth, but they are opposite truths. For someone of faith I love biochemistry, pharmacology, physiology, the science of our bodies, zoology, spend a long time studying dinosaurs....and of all the countless books I read from the library, college classes, etc...Evolution to me is a farce. I have my reasons, my facts, my understandings. In fact the deeper I dive into our bodies, the amazingly designed mechanics that run it, the potential of the mind, and the unexplainable anomalies that sometimes happen...all strengthens my faith.

Do not take me for a blind zealous Christian, I once was...lol. I question my God, argue with him even. But without him I would be nothing of what I am today. So regardless of whether he exists to you, this ghost you speak of grants me infinite hope, drive and passion, a helping hand in my time of need, trust that I will always prevail, confidence in any situation, and even no fear of death.

Much better to me than the counter option. On on a side note I like Jews and Mormons lol. Even some select muslims. Most of my views or for discussion or theory, nothing personal. On a personal level, I have friends of every faith...I only really look down on or block out people who are into witchcraft or satanism....Simply because, none of that is of any possible positive merit. Even to those of no faith, thats usually a no-no lol.


Aw snap....a little on topic lol

Ashly Madison, my disgust of it is not even necessarily of a religious focal point. Cheating on someone can result in suicides, murders, psychological breakdowns, tons of harm to kids, permanent damage to peoples emotions, developement of psychological dieases, the spread of STD's, etc....you tell me if any of that is morally wrong regardless of faith. To be honest I think cheating in a marriage should result in the loss of rights to the children, any gain you would normally get from a divorce, and require some kind of consoling or minor jail time. Its literally an act of selfish intent that is a conscious choice that the person knows the results can ruin peoples lives, there should be a price to pay for it.

In fact in many cultures, there is a price to pay for it.
 
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... I have my reservations about, specially, religion and politics. After pissing enough people about the topic stated here (at work, home, family, gf's family... etc), I just learned to shut da hell up when topics came up in discussions...

Alright guys,

Thanks for all your input and both of you, RJH & Zero, have presented your unique points, and as you see, some time had been spent arguing your points all day with no gain but bitterness towards one another. I'm not taking any sides here, but as I said earlier that, this is the reason why "I keep religion and politics to myself" for obvious reasons... At least I'm walking away knowing that, as different as we may seem from one another whether it be religion, politics, moral values etc, we can still find enough compasion to tolerate & cooperate & help one another... and we as a nation may face many challenged ahead, but if anyone asked me "what country I'd rather live in, I'd proudly say, "United States of Fuckin' AMERICA baby!"

BTW, what's up GP! I haven't seen you around lately. I'm guessing the job's keeping you busy. Take care buddy.
 
Makes sense to be skeptical lol, in fact thats common sense. Technically right now I am just a guy over the internet. Hence why I gave you the info to find the vid, plus do some digging in current evolution theory, its going stupid all over the place. Some scientists will even tell you we are now evolved from flatworms, not monkeys.....yeh...there is a limit.


As for God....Alot of science is pointing to "Intelligent Design" but no specifici religion.

My life has been deeply affected by my faith, hence my conviction in it. I have had prayers answered in unexplainable ways, even experienced healing, and watched a brother at chuch with Xrays of his knees with his ACL and other tendons utterly destroyed be carried in crying and end up running around jumping and praising the Lord. Same guy who took a sledge hammer to the skull full force while working on an oil rig and was supposed to be a vegetable for life...

I have experienced the psychological and emotional comfort of my faith, My God. And it has made me a stronger person than I could ever be otherwise. Not crutches per say, but building blocks for something greater.

I try not to go off on other religions, or even atheism if I can resist because I do not have all the answers. I have seen unexplainable things, dealt with things you would not believe and probably call me a liar or crazy.

My faith is not based on the book called the Bible, its based on experience in my life surrounding the book called the Bible.

Your telling me choosing and believing in a deity is any crazier than the big bang theory, and life coming from nothing? Where did life come from even without a deity, the theories are just as based on a religious fervor and faith as being a Christian.

Its pick your poison, I know what I know, and you know what you know, and to each of is it is the truth, but they are opposite truths. For someone of faith I love biochemistry, pharmacology, physiology, the science of our bodies, zoology, spend a long time studying dinosaurs....and of all the countless books I read from the library, college classes, etc...Evolution to me is a farce. I have my reasons, my facts, my understandings. In fact the deeper I dive into our bodies, the amazingly designed mechanics that run it, the potential of the mind, and the unexplainable anomalies that sometimes happen...all strengthens my faith.

Do not take me for a blind zealous Christian, I once was...lol. I question my God, argue with him even. But without him I would be nothing of what I am today. So regardless of whether he exists to you, this ghost you speak of grants me infinite hope, drive and passion, a helping hand in my time of need, trust that I will always prevail, confidence in any situation, and even no fear of death.

Much better to me than the counter option. On on a side note I like Jews and Mormons lol. Even some select muslims. Most of my views or for discussion or theory, nothing personal. On a personal level, I have friends of every faith...I only really look down on or block out people who are into witchcraft or satanism....Simply because, none of that is of any possible positive merit. Even to those of no faith, thats usually a no-no lol.


Aw snap....a little on topic lol

Ashly Madison, my disgust of it is not even necessarily of a religious focal point. Cheating on someone can result in suicides, murders, psychological breakdowns, tons of harm to kids, permanent damage to peoples emotions, developement of psychological dieases, the spread of STD's, etc....you tell me if any of that is morally wrong regardless of faith. To be honest I think cheating in a marriage should result in the loss of rights to the children, any gain you would normally get from a divorce, and require some kind of consoling or minor jail time. Its literally an act of selfish intent that is a conscious choice that the person knows the results can ruin peoples lives, there should be a price to pay for it.

In fact in many cultures, there is a price to pay for it.

I'm sorry but there is no evidence of any magical ghosts other than that book of yours and a shitty tale from centuries ago that King Francis used to kill people. How many stories of "visions" must I here from people who call tim leary crazy hahaha.

And when are we going tax the freaking churches? Please evolve people...or at the very least stop pro creating. please and thank you

I'm all for providing comfort I guess if you need it.

Whatever works for you
 
Faith:
Either you have it or you don't.

I celebrate with you if you do.
I don't judge you if you don't

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
 
I'm sorry but there is no evidence of any magical ghosts other than that book of yours and a shitty tale from centuries ago that King Francis used to kill people. How many stories of "visions" must I here from people who call tim leary crazy hahaha.
And when are we going tax the freaking churches? Please evolve people...or at the very least stop pro creating. please and thank you
I'm all for providing comfort I guess if you need it.

I have see with my own eyes the Lords grace and mercy. I have watched Him make a way out of no way.
He saved my life two times from circumstances that I could not change, alter or escape.
He is indeed real, He is indeed present and He is very much in charge.
He has a Son that grants you free passage. It is yours to have or yours to throw away. Free will.
 
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I have see with my own eyes the Lords grace and mercy. I have watched Him make a way out of no way.
He saved my life two times from circumstances that I could not change, alter or escape.
He is indeed real, He is indeed present and He is very much in charge.
He has a Son that grants you free passage. It is yours to have or yours to throw away. Free will.

If being all powerful and all knowing is a necessary and sufficient condition for being the lord....

If you are powerful enough to stop rape, murder, oppression, starvation...

If you are all knowing, and therefore you can stop these atrocities before they happen.....


And you do nothing about it? You would rather watch from your perch high in the clouds?

This does not describe anybody worthy of my respect much less worthy of me falling to my knees in service...
 
if you believe in god then whatever but i think organized religion is retarded. you all believe in the same thing but slightly different.

i do believe in god in some way but not the super natural being that overlooks mankind as everyone else believes. my view is more of a force than a being. a force that brings elements together to create life on this planet and many more. but it doesn't give a shit about you or me or our personal struggles or morality.

as for the cheating site.... who cares. cheaters gonna cheat. that's just another medium for them to use to do it.
 
If being all powerful and all knowing is a necessary and sufficient condition for being the lord....

If you are powerful enough to stop rape, murder, oppression, starvation...

If you are all knowing, and therefore you can stop these atrocities before they happen.....


And you do nothing about it? You would rather watch from your perch high in the clouds?

This does not describe anybody worthy of my respect much less worthy of me falling to my knees in service...


It is not God that did those things. It is men like you and me with free will
that did them.
God has plenty of time and mercy to go around. He can undo in heaven every thing that is done down here.

You measure by only what you can see and prove and are missing the infinite picture of what you cant see.
 
It is not God that did those things. It is men like you and me with free will
that did them.
God has plenty of time and mercy to go around. He can undo in heaven every thing that is done down here.

You measure by only what you can see and prove and are missing the infinite picture of what you cant see.

God is someone described by man and no one else? Why is that? It's because he exists only to those who want him to. And those people will never listen to logic, it will always be this excuse or that excuse... He turns his blind eye to us war after war...rape after rape... sorry to be so extreme but it's true
 
if you believe in god then whatever but i think organized religion is retarded. you all believe in the same thing but slightly different.

i do believe in god in some way but not the super natural being that overlooks mankind as everyone else believes. my view is more of a force than a being. a force that brings elements together to create life on this planet and many more. but it doesn't give a shit about you or me or our personal struggles or morality.

as for the cheating site.... who cares. cheaters gonna cheat. that's just another medium for them to use to do it.

Your belief is transcendentalism? An interesting one actually, has some merit to it.

If being all powerful and all knowing is a necessary and sufficient condition for being the lord....

If you are powerful enough to stop rape, murder, oppression, starvation...

If you are all knowing, and therefore you can stop these atrocities before they happen.....


And you do nothing about it? You would rather watch from your perch high in the clouds?

This does not describe anybody worthy of my respect much less worthy of me falling to my knees in service...

God is someone described by man and no one else? Why is that? It's because he exists only to those who want him to. And those people will never listen to logic, it will always be this excuse or that excuse... He turns his blind eye to us war after war...rape after rape... sorry to be so extreme but it's true

Now forgive me if this goes traditional, I am leaving the milk and dishing out the meat.

Because my friend WE demanded to be allowed to be raped, murdered, and have war. Tis your own fault lol.

By disobedience and eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we became "Like unto God, but not gods ourselves" as in we took our fate into our own hands and decided to abuse our free will.

Life is essentially the "weeding out" phase of those who will not choose to follow him. What is rape? Damage to a temporary vessel that is destined to become dust...What is murder? The destruction of a temporary vessel destined to be dust. What is war? The mass destruction of temporary vessels destined to be dust...

Your looking at it through worldly eyes, and saying "This is all I got" where as we transcend that, we ascend and look at it for what it is. Trials we chose to endure.

Man is destined to work the land until the final judgement, the final death...

You seem to be blind to the rejection man has shown towards God, the evil man has done and still does to one another and God himself, and want him to rescue every human just because YOU think thats how God is supposed to work? An ungodly man is ruled by fear and suffering, a Godly man is triumphant over it. Christians walk in other countries as missionaries, knowing they may be raped or murdered. They do so without falling to their fears.

Seeing a mans leg being healed, tendons regrowing in a single moment....yeah thats not any proof of something supernatural :cool:

God allows us to suffer our choices. Rape could be greatly reduced, if not almost erased if we punished the crime correctly...you know like they used to...Hang the man...NOOOO to many, Non-Christian liberals fought to take away the death penalty...odd.

Murders could be reduced, stealing, even war itself could be reduced if it was fought properly...

Nope, its odd though that it is the non-believers who place all those restrictions... Did it ever occur to you that God gave us a way to prevent, lessen those things? That he imbued us with that power, but people will gladly be blindfolded simply to have a reason to argue against him or his existence.

Don't blame God for the results of the choices of the ungodly. He does watch out for his own, and has done some amazing things even for those who don't follow him. But alas, he will allow suffering for it is like unto the wind separating the chaff from the seed when tossed into the air.

I have never met better people than in a church. I am slightly agains organized religion myself, but in all honesty it is really beneficial due to the fact that it offers support to people.

You want to tax church's? Every church I have seen has paid to put poor kids through sports camps, paid bills for people who lost their jobs, given groceries to the families who are on hard times in the church. Tax what? Their ability to do what God intended? Your focused on those televangelists and mega churchs, both of which I hate with a passion. You have probably been burned by a church or Christian, and in so hold a grudge.

I have only met several non-believers who are capable of intellectual discussion of the subject without reverting back the the age old argument "but why do I get booboos then?".

I am quite analytical and quite a logic based person, in fact often using my understanding in psychology to exert some merit of control over situations around me. I am big on science as I stated, which is all logic based. And it is only logical that God exists. Even Hawking reverted to "The more I explore, the more I believe a God exists" which was years after he said the opposite. now he doesnt name a single one, but hey. Thing about the big bang, every thing came from ONE "source" huh...Didnt God do that? And the old testament even lists the earth as a globe via knowledge they had, which every one else assumed was flat until the middle ages. More and more often now scientists who were once against any form of God, now are changing their minds as the whack job science of old is showing falsehoods, and the things they are finding are showing SOMETHING had to have its hand involved in our existence.

You scientifically explain to me and the doctors how a mans ACL, and other tendons around his kneed that were torn to shreds regrew only in moments during an intense prayer session at our small church, and went from crippled to running around shouting? Dang someone must have injected him with super advanced nanomite technology right? Instant repair eh?

Stuff wont make the news though, even though it happens all over. Too much power would fall back to the church.

Regardless of your faith my friend, mankind is coming to an end at a rapid pace...Maybe 100 years tops. Population 9 billion by 2050, what by 2100? Likely Zero. One simple advanced biophage, modfied Virus or bacteria, could wipe the earth clean.

Not to mention do some research. Humans once had "pure" genetics, which would allow for even inbreeding without any abnormalities whatsover. Today our genes are falling apart, coming unraveled. They are saying unless we find a way to repair them(not really possible) humans will disintegrate...why? Because evolution doesnt work, any alternation or mutation to the genetic code results in cancer/disease. Add in the chemicals we are exposed to today and the process is sped up.

But hey, there wont be this argument in heaven :D
 
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Friend, you do very important work.

I'm gonna leave this one because you apparently walk the walk if you gt my drift. Keep up your efforts and do not be afraid to take responsibility for what YOU do. Obviously you're nothing short of an honorable human being

Nice touch on the beiber head

-t
 
Friend, you do very important work.

I'm gonna leave this one because you apparently walk the walk if you gt my drift. Keep up your efforts and do not be afraid to take responsibility for what YOU do. Obviously you're nothing short of an honorable human being

Nice touch on the beiber head

-t

You are used to the over evangelized half hearted Christians who inhabit the United States to no extent...you will rarely see the true purpose we even exist, to ease the suffering and burdens of those in need. Christians true purpose show in places like Haiti, China, the Middle East, Africa. Places no one else wants to go. Some truly devout still exist here...But Gods presence here is being forced out by certain groups.


Man Pickle...I am honored to know you on this board man. I have only done missionary work in Mexico, south of the border. Feeding and building, it has its dangers but not like Haiti atm.

Honestly I wish I could get involved. I miss that part of our faith.

A Christians power, blessings, and guidance, boldness, and heart does come from within tednatas....that is true, but its also because the Holy Spirit dwells within.

No one today is perfect. They Crucified the only perfect Man.
 
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Pickle Beiber I applaud you in being proactive and so kind toward others. Those are some solid qualities to have. Personally, I'm not a believer in the Lord but I am a believer in good, decent people.

As for the ashleymadison website...I find it absurd that people would be so angered over this kind of website. Sure I don't agree with what they're doing however it's not like they are the first to initiate this idea of infidelity. Every night, in every bar across the globe, married people are going home with strangers and shagging the ole' beaver stuffing. The fact is people cheat on their spouses all the time and they didn't need a website to do so.

If you ask me I would have to say that the website is more of a scam to take your money anyway. I mean I'm sure it's worked for a few people but this isn't like the old high school prom.

RJ's got it right 100%. Mental weakness...total lack of self-control. Look at how many Americans (and others) are obese and wrought with avoidable health conditions. It's just weakness.
 
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