About Lyle alzado's Death....

[joltan]

Since this is a steroid related board I will make a very good point for all of you to understand. The recent drug busts that went down, does this seem odd at all in any way that Quality Vet, Denkall and Animal Power were the ones targeted. Hmm, all of these are mexican suppliers that are flooding america with drugs taking away millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical industry and the politicians, lobbyists pockets. And what bodybuilders consume isnt near what people use for horses, chickens, cows, etc, etc. All meat you eat pretty much has been grown with steroids and growth hormones. Unless it is 100% organic kosher. You dont understand how much money these mexican companys were stealing for the fda, ftc, etc. I will admit there were other bust online in america, But they were supplying MEXICAN GEAR!

Now on your theory of life expectancy. Do you think that the most powerful industry in the world is going to let anyone take any of their business away by saying something that will damage their reputation and make them look bad. Do you think the aca (american cancer association) will ever find a cure for cancer. Because if they did, oops we all just lost our jobs, now we have no work to do, now the fda, ftc, the pharm industry, politicians are all going to lose billions of billions of biilllions of dollars. but its ok we found a cure for cancer. yea right get bent , the gov is corrupt and these guys are the ones who run the show. little reasearch companies cannot compete with the big dogs, they have little to no money compared to these guys, and will be shut down immediately or paid off.

 

[Micromegas]

Cancer is caused by toxins in the body.

False,Cancer is caused by overexpanson of cells which can be due to anything from genetics to radiation.

http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=119

Years ago there was no such thing as cancer because there were no over the counter/under the counter drugs like there are today, and food was not processed like it is today.

False,The world's oldest documented case of cancer hails from ancient Egypt, in 1500 b.c. The details were recorded on a papyrus, documenting 8 cases of tumors occurring on the breast.

http://cancer.about.com/od/historyofcancer/a/cancerhistory.htm

All disease and sickness comes from too many toxins in the body, if our bodys were perfectly clean of toxins and our bodys ph level was alkaline all the time, you would never get sick.

False,Diseaes have thousands upon thousands of causes. "Toxins" probably being the least. Diseases can be caused by just about anything incluidng Genetics. Many people have the genetics for the diseases they get including cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease

Wild animals live to be 200 years old, because there not living in the toxic realm that us humans do. So yes, steroids do cause cancer. Every single DRUG contains toxins, and is unhealthy to the body and can cause cancer and many other illnesses.

Only a few wild animals in nature live past 100. Animals in captivity live LONGER than animals in the wild. However most wild animals including deer,squirl..whatever have lifespans alot shorter than humans.

Now adays are bodys are evolving into the acidic state where virtually all of the food we eat has toxins. We are getting sicker than ever, and also taking more drugs than ever. Odd huh? The soap and shampoo and our toothpaste all contains deadly toxins. Therefore pretty much 99% of the food we eat is going to kill us or make us suscepitble to disease and illness. Taking any drug for that matter weakens your immune system, makes your body ph very acidic, and makes you more prone to all illness including cancer. Even using a microwave causes cancer. Did you know that if you put a bird three feet away and start cooking with nonstick cookware you will kill the bird from the toxins?

I don't have time for your Tom Cruise Scientology bullshit. If you want to make claims then post scientific studies. Otherwise they are 100% baseless and incorrect.

 

[Micromegas]

They put those statistics out so you believe that drugs are infact keeping you alive when really they are slowly killing you. THe fda and the ftc have more money and more power than any other, its a monopoly and the statistics you read today are paid for by this industry. Tv stations run mostly off money from the pharmeceutical industry, they are brainwashing you. I will say though that surgery is keeping people alive longer, and life support that many people are on. But do you really consider someone on life support living?

Spouting off baseless conspiracy theories doesn't get you anywhere. Unless you have some EVIDENCE for these claims..Don't make them.


The fact of the matter is Human life expectancy IS ALOT higher than what it was say 2,000 years ago. On average in developed countries humans live well past 70 years of age. 2,000 years ago humans rarely made it past 40.

In REALITY(not your dream world) Drugs help. Drugs cure thousands of disease and new are being invented to cure more disease.

In REALITY,You yourself have probably taken drugs to get over illness's including anti-biotics. Most people have.

 

[joltan]

You my friend are an idiot, and you don't understand where all the information that you read comes from. And who it also benefits. I guess you dont understand what true power really is.

 

[Micromegas]

Now on your theory of life expectancy. Do you think that the most powerful industry in the world is going to let anyone take any of their business away by saying something that will damage their reputation and make them look bad. Do you think the aca (american cancer association) will ever find a cure for cancer. Because if they did, oops we all just lost our jobs, now we have no work to do, now the fda, ftc, the pharm industry, politicians are all going to lose billions of billions of biilllions of dollars. but its ok we found a cure for cancer. yea right get bent , the gov is corrupt and these guys are the ones who run the show. little reasearch companies cannot compete with the big dogs, they have little to no money compared to these guys, and will be shut down immediately or paid off.

I think this says it all.......

 

[Micromegas]

You my friend are an idiot, and you don't understand where all the information that you read comes from. And who it also benefits. I guess you dont understand what true power really is.

Lmao,Seriously...Are you joking here?


I can't tell if you're serious or not. What you're saying is so damn absurd it must be a fucking joke.

 

[joltan]

Spouting off baseless conspiracy theories doesn't get you anywhere. Unless you have some EVIDENCE for these claims..Don't make them.


The fact of the matter is Human life expectancy IS ALOT higher than what it was say 2,000 years ago. On average in developed countries humans live well past 70 years of age. 2,000 years ago humans rarely made it past 40.

In REALITY(not your dream world) Drugs help. Drugs cure thousands of disease and new are being invented to cure more disease.

In REALITY,You yourself have probably taken drugs to get over illness's including anti-biotics. Most people have.

All disease and illness comes from 4 different things, genetics not being one of them.
1. Toxins
2. Nutritional deficiencies
3. Electromagnetic chaos
4. Stress

Drugs cure thousands of disease? There is not 1 drug that cures any disease, drugs only suppress your problem, they actually cause more disease. Every drug has side effects, the fda actually says this themselves. There is no such thing as fact, there have been many studies that have been 100% wrong but at first they were proven fact. I will even give you a few examples: margarine was considered healthier than butter, (this was a fact let me remind you) and now the total opposite is true, margarine is 100 hydrogenated oil which is a transfat and it scars the living fuck out of your artery, alchohol was once bad and never to be had, now they say it is indeed healthy in low amounts daily, homosexuality was once called a disease, milk was recommended for coating the stomach and alleviating stomach ulcer, now it is discouraged and has been found to aggravate ulcers. so putting that aside your stupid research means nothing, and is paid for by the pharm industry most likely. How about einsteins theory of relativity, this is presented as fact, but why does he call it the THEORY or relativity and not the fact of relativity.
I dont know how you could come up with statistics from over 2,000 years ago, but whatever, back then they had many nutritional deficiensys they drank salt water they had little to any vitamins and mineral like we do today. but the only toxins they had were in their water. they didnt have heart attacks, heart disease, herpes , aids, social anxiety disorder, lou gerrighs disease, diabetes, and whatever the fuck else everyone has today or is <labeled> as by the government. so why are they here today? toxins, electromagnetic chaos, stress, nutritional deficiencies. it has nothing to do with genetics or anything else, there are multiple double blind studies on this theory and are proven to cure virtually almost all disease, but do you think the number 1 richest industry in america will let this leak out?? You dont understand.

 

[joltan]

I think this says it all.......

Did you know the reason we have heart attacks and many other diseases is because of the fda and the ftc. And no its not because of high cholesterol its because certain ways foods are proccessed scars our artery. With an artery that is not scarred cholesterol can not bond itself the the artery which infact causes heart attack, so on so forth. There are people with cholesterol values over 500. So there making money off you buying their food , then you get sick and you need their drugs, and you need surgery, then since you started taking one drug you are getting side effects and need to take another, and another and another. do you see how they make their money? So even if it were proven you are genetically predisposed to high cholesterol, its not whats making you sick.

You can keep posting your research that is infact put out by these guys to brainwash you, im done.

 

[joltan]

Micromegas you dont understand, its like you coming into my doctors office and saying my head hurts because i keep pounding it against the wall, whats the cure? doctor says quit pounding you head against the wall, you say i dont want to quit pounding my head against the wall i just want to be cured of my headache. this is you, you just dont understand and are totally brainwashed. i say all of this with all respect, and yes i present it as theory

 

[Micromegas]

All disease and illness comes from 4 different things, genetics not being one of them.
1. Toxins
2. Nutritional deficiencies
3. Electromagnetic chaos
4. Stress

"Electromagnetic Chaos" What the fuck?? Define "Electro magnetic chaos" and explain how it causes disease. lmao

Drugs cure thousands of disease? There is not 1 drug that cures any disease, drugs only suppress your problem, they actually cause more disease.

You obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Here's an example.

Bacterial meningitis-Not caused by "toxins","Nutritional deficiencies" or "Electromagnetic chaos" or "stress". But caused by Neisseria meningitidis,A Bacteria. This is classified as a "disease" and is cured by anti-biotics that kill the bacteria.

There is no such thing as fact, there have been many studies that have been 100% wrong but at first they were proven fact. I will even give you a few examples: margarine was considered healthier than butter, (this was a fact let me remind you) and now the total opposite is true, margarine is 100 hydrogenated oil which is a transfat and it scars the living fuck out of your artery, alchohol was once bad and never to be had, now they say it is indeed healthy in low amounts daily, homosexuality was once called a disease, milk was recommended for coating the stomach and alleviating stomach ulcer, now it is discouraged and has been found to aggravate ulcers.

You're confusing "Assumptions" with "Facts" It was NEVER a scientific fact that alcohol was absolutley bad or else it could of never been disproven because it would of been a "fact" in reality it was never proven that alcohol had no health benefits,So saying it was a "fact" is incorrect.

so putting that aside your stupid research means nothing, and is paid for by the pharm industry most likely. How about einsteins theory of relativity, this is presented as fact, but why does he call it the THEORY or relativity and not the fact of relativity.

1.You've got ZERO evidence supporting your bullshit conspiracy theories.

2.Learn a little about science. In science a "Theory" is not some guess. In reality it's a conceptual framework based on facts that makes predictions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science

I dont know how you could come up with statistics from over 2,000 years ago, but whatever, back then they had many nutritional deficiensys they drank salt water they had little to any vitamins and mineral like we do today.

By studying bones of people living at the time we could determine the average age of death.

but the only toxins they had were in their water. they didnt have heart attacks, heart disease, herpes , aids, social anxiety disorder, lou gerrighs disease, diabetes, and whatever the fuck else everyone has today or is <labeled> as by the government.

Heart attacks are generally caused by plaque buildup on the walls of the vessels. This can be caused by things including being overweight. Heart attacks have occured since humans have been on this planet and they were even diagnosed in the 1700's under the term "angina pectoris" resulting in death.

The ONLY thing that you mentioned that was not around hundreds of years ago is Aids which evolved from a monkey virus about 50 years ago.

Hundreds of years ago sickness was rampant and things like the plague killed MILLIONS.

so why are they here today? toxins, electromagnetic chaos, stress, nutritional deficiencies. it has nothing to do with genetics or anything else, there are multiple double blind studies on this theory and are proven to cure virtually almost all disease, but do you think the number 1 richest industry in america will let this leak out?? You dont understand.

1.Please define what "Electromagnetic chaos" is. Explain how it causes sickness.

2.nutritional deficiencies exist because most people have poor diets. But in most people they don't exist,Atlest in developed countries.

3.Source these double blind studies with links provided.

 

[Micromegas]

Did you know the reason we have heart attacks and many other diseases is because of the fda and the ftc. And no its not because of high cholesterol its because certain ways foods are proccessed scars our artery. With an artery that is not scarred cholesterol can not bond itself the the artery which infact causes heart attack, so on so forth. There are people with cholesterol values over 500. So there making money off you buying their food , then you get sick and you need their drugs, and you need surgery, then since you started taking one drug you are getting side effects and need to take another, and another and another. do you see how they make their money? So even if it were proven you are genetically predisposed to high cholesterol, its not whats making you sick.

You can keep posting your research that is infact put out by these guys to brainwash you, im done.

People have been having heart attacks before processed food existed. So your theory is bullshit as i've explained.


And explain how processed food "Scars" the arteries. Also give evidence that plaque can't clog up without these "Scars".

 

[Micromegas]

Micromegas you dont understand, its like you coming into my doctors office and saying my head hurts because i keep pounding it against the wall, whats the cure? doctor says quit pounding you head against the wall, you say i dont want to quit pounding my head against the wall i just want to be cured of my headache. this is you, you just dont understand and are totally brainwashed. i say all of this with all respect, and yes i present it as theory

You're not making sense. You can't expect to rant off your conspiracy theory scientology bullshit without being refuted and laughed at.


What you present doesn't even have anything to do with a "theory"...In reality it's just bullshit.


Saying no disease is genetic is simply ignorant and simply wrong. TONS of disease are genetic including Tay-Sachs disease(GM2 gangliosidosis) just as a random example.

The disease results from mutations on chromosome 15 in the HEXA gene encoding the alpha-subunit of the lysosomal enzyme beta-N-acetylhexosaminidase A. This enzyme is necessary for breaking down N-galactosamine from GM2 gangliosides in brain and nerve cells. More than ninety mutations have been identified in the HEXA gene. These consist of base pair insertions, base pair deletions, splice site mutations, and point mutations. All of these mutations alter the protein product. For example, a four base pair insertion in exon 11 results in an altered reading frame for the HEXA gene while a three base pair deletion eliminates the amino acid phenylalanine from the protein product at position 304. A G to C point mutation at amino acid 180 changes the codon UAC to UAG causing termination of the polypeptide. A G to A point mutation at amino acid 170 changes the codon CGA to CAA and CGG to CAG which produces glutamine instead of arginine. A G to C mutation in the splice site of intron 12 has also been identified. This mutation creates a recognition site for the restriction enzyme Ddel resulting in abnormal splicing and the production of aberrant mRNA species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay-Sachs

 

[truck]

Surgar (Sucrose) is the main culperate in Scarring of arteries. Has something to do with the oxidation of a biproduct or something like that, learned about it last year so i don't remember the details

 

[Micromegas]

Surgar (Sucrose) is the main culperate in Scarring of arteries. Has something to do with the oxidation of a biproduct or something like that, learned about it last year so i don't remember the details

Regardless...We've had Sugar for thousands of years. Our Forefathers 200 years ago had massive sugar plantations. 600 years ago columbus was given sugar by the govenoress of Gomera.

So this whole "processed foods and electromagnetic chaos" causes all disease is just bunk. And our local conspiracy nut Joltan still hasn't explained what "Electromagnetic chaos" is exactly and how it causes diseases.


Did the Grey Aliens tell you all about "electro magnetic chaos" Joltan?

 

[joltan]

Regardless...We've had Sugar for thousands of years. Our Forefathers 200 years ago had massive sugar plantations. 600 years ago columbus was given sugar by the govenoress of Gomera.

So this whole "processed foods and electromagnetic chaos" causes all disease is just bunk. And our local conspiracy nut Joltan still hasn't explained what "Electromagnetic chaos" is exactly and how it causes diseases.


Did the Grey Aliens tell you all about "electro magnetic chaos" Joltan?

This explains how much of an idiot you really are. There is a huge difference between whole organic sugar and the sugar everyone uses today. The sugar that was used then was whole unrefined evaporated cane juice , squeezed dry and ground. The molasses is not seperated from the sugar streams. Sugar today has been grown chemically, highly processed, using dangerous chemicals, and is stripped of all its nutritional value. Artificial sweeteners like saccharine, aspartame, and sucralose are terrible for you. Everything today unless bought in a health food store is 99% most likely chemically grown, and highly processed. THere is actually 1500 toxins that food companys legally do not have to put on there label. Electromagnetic chaos is things that affect your bodys energy field such as satellites, radar, cell phone towers, cell phones, high tension power lines, electric wiring, computers television and radios, microwaves. I believe its called kilian photography (sp?) where you can actually take a picture of something and see the energy field around it such as an apple, if you take this apple and microwave it and use that photography much of the energy is gone. This chaos causes positive charging of ions which is harmful to your heath, which is a cause of cancer. When you said Cancer is caused by overexpanson of cells which can be due to anything from genetics to radiation, you are correct radiation is electromagnetic chaos but genetics have nothing to do with it or atleast there are no good studys that can prove this, there are actually studys that say this is false. Im not going to spend any of my time to post or source any of these studys for you, personally I dont care if you believe it or not. Do some searching for yourself if your curious and you will find EVERYTHING I have said to be true and more. Have a good day.

 

[Micromegas]

Electromagnetic chaos is things that affect your bodys energy field such as satellites, radar, cell phone towers, cell phones, high tension power lines, electric wiring, computers television and radios, microwaves.
I believe its called kilian photography (sp?) where you can actually take a picture of something and see the energy field around it such as an apple, if you take this apple and microwave it and use that photography much of the energy is gone.

Kirlian photography doesn't take pictures of your bodies "energy field" all it is is a reaction from electricity entering an object and reacting with the moisture in it and producing gas ionization. The moisture is transfered from the subject(living or not living) to the emulsion surface of the photographic film and causes an alternation of the electric charge pattern on the film. If a photograph is taken in a vacuum, where no ionized gas is present, no Kirlian image appears. If the Kirlian image were due to some fundamental living energy field, it should not disappear in a simple vacuum (Hines 2003).

http://skepdic.com/kirlian.html

This chaos causes positive charging of ions which is harmful to your heath, which is a cause of cancer.

That's complete bullshit. Do you even know what a positivly charged ion is?

A few NATURAL examples that exist in our body naturally and many natural foods are sodium, potassium, magnesium, hydrogen, and calcium. These
Secondly there's no scientific evidence an imbalance of ions(The body needs both positivly and negativly charged ions to function) causes cancer.

When you said Cancer is caused by overexpanson of cells which can be due to anything from genetics to radiation, you are correct radiation is electromagnetic chaos but genetics have nothing to do with it or atleast there are no good studys that can prove this, there are actually studys that say this is false.

1.Radiation has been present on earth since it was formed over 4 billion years ago. Radiation is emited from the sun and the stars and our earth is bombarded with it every second of every day of every year. That's why cancer is no "new thing".

2.There is plenty of evidence cancer is genetic and plenty of studies showing it is genetic.

certain inherited mutations in the genes BRCA1 and BRCA2 are associated with an elevated risk of breast cancer and ovarian cancer

tumors of various endocrine organs in multiple endocrine neoplasia (MEN types 1, 2a, 2b)

Li-Fraumeni syndrome (various tumors such as osteosarcoma, breast cancer, soft-tissue sarcoma, brain tumors) due to mutations of p53

Turcot syndrome (brain tumors and colonic polyposis)

Familial adenomatous polyposis an inherited mutation of the APC gene that leads to early onset of colon carcinoma.

Retinoblastoma in young children is an inherited cancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer#Heredity

http://cancerpatientinfo.com/heredity.html

Im not going to spend any of my time to post or source any of these studys for you, personally I dont care if you believe it or not. Do some searching for yourself if your curious and you will find EVERYTHING I have said to be true and more. Have a good day.

Sorry,I've done plenty of searching and have found all of your claims to be completly baseless bullshit.(Not that I did not know they were to begin with)

Secondly you haven't addressed ANY of my retorts or responses to your initial claims and my disproving you.

For example Tay-Sachs disease(GM2 gangliosidosis). It's a genetic disease.

Or anti-biotics curing diseases. They are DRUGS that CURE diseases related to bacterial infections.

You said years ago there was no cancer..How many years ago? I gave an example of a diagnosed case of cancer from THOUSANDS of years ago.

You said animals live past 200. This is purely due to genetics and MOST animals don't even live past 50 years old. In reality animals live much longer in captivity than in the wild and they're being fed tons of processed foods in captivity. Explain that. Oh wait..You can't!

 

[truck]

yes where you are wrong though is the mass production and consumption wasn't at where it is today the average American consumes close to 120lbs of surgar a year. it was not even close to that level even until somewhere close to the 1900's surgar and spices where all luxuries until modern times. So you are wrong there. Its not just one thing its many that cuase all of these problems. Shit people didn't even live long enough to develope these problems. Hell 50 use to be old now its almost half way point of life. So the longer people live the more likely they'll develope something wrong. You can't point your finger at one thing but there are certain things that expadite the problems until genes are totally figured out we'll never really know why certain things happen for sure and why to some and not others.