Alcohol
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Camel
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Not even a few vodka's even? Don't get me wrong, I'm not an alkie... tend to watch how much I drink, but feel the need to have it large every now and then. Surely, once every 2 weeks or so is permitted on a day before you're not goin' the gym! I guess most peops here are goin' gym everyday tho'.
Come on guys, don't you drink a few beers at the weekend?
Come on guys, don't you drink a few beers at the weekend?
bigbuffstaples
"Who is your Daddy and what does he do?"
Yeah i drink.
As long as you make sure the day after you drink is gonna be a rest day for you, then no worries,,, if your REALLY hardcore into training (i.e. if you have a competition coming up soon), then i would suggest not drinking, or at least not too much at all, as it will affect you, but if your just lifting because you love it and your not heading towards a competition or anything, then a drink every now and then is alright. I'm used to being able to get trashed, then the next day going to the gym and most of the time i can handle it and get a good pump on. But make sure you drink a glass of water for each shot/beer that you have, otherwise you'll be dehydrated as fuck the next day.
That help??
As long as you make sure the day after you drink is gonna be a rest day for you, then no worries,,, if your REALLY hardcore into training (i.e. if you have a competition coming up soon), then i would suggest not drinking, or at least not too much at all, as it will affect you, but if your just lifting because you love it and your not heading towards a competition or anything, then a drink every now and then is alright. I'm used to being able to get trashed, then the next day going to the gym and most of the time i can handle it and get a good pump on. But make sure you drink a glass of water for each shot/beer that you have, otherwise you'll be dehydrated as fuck the next day.
That help??
ranger1082
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Drinking really isnt that great its just a bunch of empty calories.When i go drinking i make that my cheat day on my diet.
invisiblewounds
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What many people do not realise about alcohol, is that it contains 7 calories per gram. All 7 of those calories are reffered to as non-nutritive, meaning your body can only store those calories as fat. They can not be used for any purpose, and are not readily excreted. They have also been found to be one of the key components of cellulite. Cheers!!!
Camel
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bigbuffstaples said:Yeah i drink.
As long as you make sure the day after you drink is gonna be a rest day for you, then no worries,,, if your REALLY hardcore into training (i.e. if you have a competition coming up soon), then i would suggest not drinking, or at least not too much at all, as it will affect you, but if your just lifting because you love it and your not heading towards a competition or anything, then a drink every now and then is alright. I'm used to being able to get trashed, then the next day going to the gym and most of the time i can handle it and get a good pump on. But make sure you drink a glass of water for each shot/beer that you have, otherwise you'll be dehydrated as fuck the next day.
That help??
Nah, no comp's.. not that serious! just like to keep fit and active really! Just glad to hear some other people DO actually drink! Good tip about the water. I always DO tend to get a bottle of water a few times in between drinks, when i'm out on a binge (which i must admit is not regular) and always drink a pint or two of water when i get home before i go to sleep anyways! That helps if you ARE goin the gym. I find too, that a good steam room session sorts you out if you're feelin' shitty after drinkin' the night before.
ranger1082 said:
Best to keep drinkin' to a minimum seems to be the general consensus!
invisiblewounds said:
Hmmm.. now I know plenty of girls who maybe interested in this information, the gals in the UK drink like a fish
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gator_mclusky
Man on a Mission
I drink train and stay happy...love my Martinis and Sundays art the sports bar....i gotta train but i gotta live too!
Moderation is the key IMO
Moderation is the key IMO
Camel
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atherjen said:
...so I guess drinking just delays your goals really, in the same way as pigging out on fast food. Invisiblewounds comments were interesting about the calories being non-nutritive, so the body doesn't know what to do with it.
got me thinkin!I also heard somewhere, I forget where now, that drinking the night you've been training basically cancels out the work you've done on your muscles in the gym that day. So the gains you would see overnight in perhaps bulking up could be effected by drinking that night... maybe to do with the alcohol in your blood stream or sumthin'. I dunno whaaat to believe?
anyone else got any thoughts on this? I thought it was a load of crap to be honest, but it did get me paranoid about havin' a drink after I've worked out. 
Anyone?
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bigbuffstaples
"Who is your Daddy and what does he do?"
Camel said:...so I guess drinking just delays your goals really, in the same way as pigging out on fast food. Invisiblewounds comments were interesting about the calories being non-nutritive, so the body doesn't know what to do with it.
I also heard somewhere, I forget where now, that drinking the night you've been training basically cancels out the work you've done on your muscles in the gym that day. So the gains you would see overnight in perhaps bulking up could be effected by drinking that night... maybe to do with the alcohol in your blood stream or sumthin'. I dunno whaaat to believe?
Yet again it comes back to what your goals are...
Me and my buddies could go to the gym friday night, go out drinking, get up saturday (maybe miss a meal, but try to make up for it by eating more at other meals), workout again near supertime saturay night, go out drinking again, then rest sunday (or even go to the gym sunday night), and i was still seeing results. I did this basically every weekend in high school and i still saw huge gains. I gained 30 pounds in about 7 months and people at school thought me and another friend of mine were taking steroids. Maybe good genetics, but i doubt it, cause i've lost most of it since and am just getting back into working out now. But i found that drinking didn't effect my training at all.
What a bunch of poop, everyone is different. I do agree drinking can AND in excess and continuously will effect training. However, its certainly ok to have a few drinks here and there. I drink all the time.. actually alot less than I used to.. and it never effected my training.. but thats just me.. I guess..? I've never had a hangover.. and yeah.. don't tell me its because I haven't drunk enough.
Injectyourspinach
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"Everything in moderation." -- Aristotle
Even binges can be done in moderation. Drinking just enough over a couple of hours to get a good buzz going while additionally having plenty of water mixed with lime juice to boot is an example of the way I do it now and then. Chilled Grey Goose is great stuff for those occasions -- smooth with virtually no impurities. In addition, I like a glass of good wine with meals now and then along with the occasional aperitif at other times. I save all this for the weekends while dieting, but I don't really notice excessive fat gains while bulking. A recent study showed that alcohol/beer do not seem to play as significant a contribution in the classic "beer belly" as was previously thought.
Even binges can be done in moderation. Drinking just enough over a couple of hours to get a good buzz going while additionally having plenty of water mixed with lime juice to boot is an example of the way I do it now and then. Chilled Grey Goose is great stuff for those occasions -- smooth with virtually no impurities. In addition, I like a glass of good wine with meals now and then along with the occasional aperitif at other times. I save all this for the weekends while dieting, but I don't really notice excessive fat gains while bulking. A recent study showed that alcohol/beer do not seem to play as significant a contribution in the classic "beer belly" as was previously thought.
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Alcohol and fat-burning
If you’re serious about your health, fitness, and athletic performance and you want
the maximum possible benefit from your program, you should drink alcoholic beverages
in moderation or not at all. “Moderation” is usually defined as one drink for women, two
drinks for men. One or two drinks won’t do much harm, and may even have some health
benefits such as increased HDL, the good type of cholesterol. Excessive alcohol
consumption will definitely compromise the results you'll get from your nutrition and
training program.
Alcohol has the second highest calorie density of all food types
At 7 calories per gram, Alcohol is the 2nd most calorie dense nutrient behind fat,
which contains 9 calories per gram. Therefore, alcohol contributes a large number of
calories to your total daily intake above and beyond the food you normally consume.
Because the alcohol is metabolized by the liver, the alcohol is not converted directly into
body fat. But this doesn't mean that drinking alcohol won't make you fat.
Alcohol suppresses the body's ability to burn body fat
The body has no storage capacity for alcohol like it does for carbohydrates and
fats. Since alcohol must be detoxified as quickly as possible, the oxidation of the alcohol
takes top priority over the oxidation of other macronutrients. In other words, while the
Copyright 2003, Fitness Renaissance, LLC http://www.fitren.com 225
liver is busy metabolizing alcohol, the utilization of fats, carbohydrates, and protein has
to be temporarily suppressed. The burning of fats is suppressed the most, because it’s
positioned at the bottom of the oxidative hierarchy. Lyle McDonald, author of “The
Ketogenic Diet” says, “The consumption of alcohol will almost completely impair the
body’s use of fat for fuel.” In the book “Power Eating,” dietician Susan Kleiner writes,
“Alcohol puts fat metabolism on hold. It’s not your friend if you’re trying to stay lean.”
When alcohol is in your system, your body will simply convert more of the food
you normally eat into body fat. Regardless of whether the calories come from food or
drinks, if you consume more calories than your body needs, the excess will be stored as
fat. Since most people usually consume their alcohol in addition to food instead of as a
substitute for it, the accumulation of body fat is usually the result.
Alcohol provides little or no nutritional value
Alcoholic beverages provide little or no nutritional value. Alcohol is empty
calories just like refined sugar is empty calories. There are trace amounts of some
vitamins and minerals, but they’re present in such tiny quantities that their nutritional
value is insignificant. Aside from providing some energy in the form of a small quantity
of carbohydrates, alcohol is empty calories.
Alcohol interferes with the absorption of nutrients
If the lack of nutritional value isn’t bad enough, alcohol actually depletes the body
of vitamins and minerals from other foods you eat. Alcohol irritates the lining of the
stomach and intestinal tract and interferes with proper digestion and absorption of vital
nutrients. The metabolization of alcohol by the liver uses up the B vitamins niacin and
thiamin. Alcohol can also decrease your body’s ability to metabolize zinc.
Alcohol is a poison
Alcohol is a toxin. It’s essentially a poison that must be detoxified by the body.
Alcohol dehydrates you
Alcohol is a potent diuretic. It draws water out of the cells and increases the loss
of water through the kidneys. The increased fluid output can cause the loss of watersoluble
minerals and all of the other negative effects of dehydration.
Copyright 2003, Fitness Renaissance, LLC http://www.fitren.com 226
Alcohol contributes to numerous health problems
Alcohol has been associated with the development of numerous health problems,
and degenerative diseases including heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke,
cardiomyopathy, abnormal heart rhythms, liver disease, cancer, decreased resistance to
infections, gout, and hypoglycemia.
Alcohol decreases natural testosterone production
Alcohol suppresses Testosterone, one of the main anabolic (muscle building)
hormones. Enough said.
If you drink, here are some tips for doing it sensibly without seriously
compromising your results
1) Factor the alcohol calories into your daily intake.
There’s been a lot said about “the beer belly,” or how alcohol makes you fat. But let me
remind you again, that in the end, fat loss always comes down to calories in versus
calories out. If you count your alcohol calories in your daily intake and keep within your
calorie limits, then you’ll still be able to lose body fat. The problem is, most people
forget to count the calories in all those drinks. Drink 1000 calories at night, followed by a
big "cheat meal" and you're asking for it! (Major FAT gain!). If you drink, it’s better to
have light beer or low calorie alcohol, not mixed drinks with high calorie additives like
milk, juice, sugar, or tropical drink mixes.
2) Stay hydrated.
Alcohol is a diuretic. If you’re dehydrated, you won’t burn fat as efficiently and you
won’t have the energy to train hard. In addition to your regular water intake, drink one
EXTRA glass of water for every alcoholic drink and you'll be fine, hydration wise.
3) Limit yourself to two drinks per sitting and NEVER binge
Anything beyond two drinks can do absolutely nothing positive for you. Maybe on a rare
celebration occasion you might have more than two drinks, but I can't think of a single
reason why any self-respecting human being who is serious about their health and fitness
goals would ever binge drink or get drunk on a regular basis. Getting drunk is not an
option on this program. If you get drunk, you’re not following the program. If you drink
in large quantities ANY TIME for ANY REASON, just look in the mirror and admit the
truth to yourself; "I 'm just not THAT serious about getting in shape. It’s not that high of a
priority right now. I don't really want it THAT bad." At least then you're honest with
yourself. If you enjoy social drinking in moderation, by all means go ahead and do it. But
if you drink heavily, at least admit the truth to yourself.
4) Don’t stay out late
Drinking and late nights often go together. Late nights out mean interrupted sleeping
patterns, less sleep and or and a lower quality of sleep. Disrupted sleeping patterns often
mean missed meals, poor workouts and poor recovery. Your body needs its rest and it
thrives on structure and schedule.
5) Do not drink often (or daily)
You often hear the advice of “drinking in moderation,” which we’ve defined as two
drinks a day, so some people do exactly that – they have two every day – fourteen drinks
per week. Not a good idea. Save the drinks for special occasions.
6) Don’t bother explaining to others why you’re not drinking
If peer pressure is a problem for you, don’t bother attempting to explain to friends or coworkers
the reason why you’re cutting back on alcohol. If it’s a major problem, you may
need to reconsider who you spend time with. You’ll always become like those you spend
the most time with. Choose your circle of friends carefully. Ninety-five percent of the
world doesn't care that you're working on improving yourself. The only ones who care are
the other people who are trying to do the same for themselves. Remember, it's easier for a
loser to reach up and try to drag you down, rather than to try and climb up and improve
themselves.
Instead of "I'm on a diet" or "I'm in training," you can make a game out of it and come up
with some funny stories about why you’re not drinking or why you’re only having a drink
or two. For example, “I have a genetically inherited liver disorder. I really wish I could
drink with you guys but I just can’t take any chances." Or, "My doctor said I lack the
proper enzymes to detoxify alcohol, so toxic by-products build up in my liver and internal
organs if I drink." Instead of being in a tense peer pressure situation, you could actually
have fun with this.
Alcohol and fat-burning
If you’re serious about your health, fitness, and athletic performance and you want
the maximum possible benefit from your program, you should drink alcoholic beverages
in moderation or not at all. “Moderation” is usually defined as one drink for women, two
drinks for men. One or two drinks won’t do much harm, and may even have some health
benefits such as increased HDL, the good type of cholesterol. Excessive alcohol
consumption will definitely compromise the results you'll get from your nutrition and
training program.
Alcohol has the second highest calorie density of all food types
At 7 calories per gram, Alcohol is the 2nd most calorie dense nutrient behind fat,
which contains 9 calories per gram. Therefore, alcohol contributes a large number of
calories to your total daily intake above and beyond the food you normally consume.
Because the alcohol is metabolized by the liver, the alcohol is not converted directly into
body fat. But this doesn't mean that drinking alcohol won't make you fat.
Alcohol suppresses the body's ability to burn body fat
The body has no storage capacity for alcohol like it does for carbohydrates and
fats. Since alcohol must be detoxified as quickly as possible, the oxidation of the alcohol
takes top priority over the oxidation of other macronutrients. In other words, while the
Copyright 2003, Fitness Renaissance, LLC http://www.fitren.com 225
liver is busy metabolizing alcohol, the utilization of fats, carbohydrates, and protein has
to be temporarily suppressed. The burning of fats is suppressed the most, because it’s
positioned at the bottom of the oxidative hierarchy. Lyle McDonald, author of “The
Ketogenic Diet” says, “The consumption of alcohol will almost completely impair the
body’s use of fat for fuel.” In the book “Power Eating,” dietician Susan Kleiner writes,
“Alcohol puts fat metabolism on hold. It’s not your friend if you’re trying to stay lean.”
When alcohol is in your system, your body will simply convert more of the food
you normally eat into body fat. Regardless of whether the calories come from food or
drinks, if you consume more calories than your body needs, the excess will be stored as
fat. Since most people usually consume their alcohol in addition to food instead of as a
substitute for it, the accumulation of body fat is usually the result.
Alcohol provides little or no nutritional value
Alcoholic beverages provide little or no nutritional value. Alcohol is empty
calories just like refined sugar is empty calories. There are trace amounts of some
vitamins and minerals, but they’re present in such tiny quantities that their nutritional
value is insignificant. Aside from providing some energy in the form of a small quantity
of carbohydrates, alcohol is empty calories.
Alcohol interferes with the absorption of nutrients
If the lack of nutritional value isn’t bad enough, alcohol actually depletes the body
of vitamins and minerals from other foods you eat. Alcohol irritates the lining of the
stomach and intestinal tract and interferes with proper digestion and absorption of vital
nutrients. The metabolization of alcohol by the liver uses up the B vitamins niacin and
thiamin. Alcohol can also decrease your body’s ability to metabolize zinc.
Alcohol is a poison
Alcohol is a toxin. It’s essentially a poison that must be detoxified by the body.
Alcohol dehydrates you
Alcohol is a potent diuretic. It draws water out of the cells and increases the loss
of water through the kidneys. The increased fluid output can cause the loss of watersoluble
minerals and all of the other negative effects of dehydration.
Copyright 2003, Fitness Renaissance, LLC http://www.fitren.com 226
Alcohol contributes to numerous health problems
Alcohol has been associated with the development of numerous health problems,
and degenerative diseases including heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke,
cardiomyopathy, abnormal heart rhythms, liver disease, cancer, decreased resistance to
infections, gout, and hypoglycemia.
Alcohol decreases natural testosterone production
Alcohol suppresses Testosterone, one of the main anabolic (muscle building)
hormones. Enough said.
If you drink, here are some tips for doing it sensibly without seriously
compromising your results
1) Factor the alcohol calories into your daily intake.
There’s been a lot said about “the beer belly,” or how alcohol makes you fat. But let me
remind you again, that in the end, fat loss always comes down to calories in versus
calories out. If you count your alcohol calories in your daily intake and keep within your
calorie limits, then you’ll still be able to lose body fat. The problem is, most people
forget to count the calories in all those drinks. Drink 1000 calories at night, followed by a
big "cheat meal" and you're asking for it! (Major FAT gain!). If you drink, it’s better to
have light beer or low calorie alcohol, not mixed drinks with high calorie additives like
milk, juice, sugar, or tropical drink mixes.
2) Stay hydrated.
Alcohol is a diuretic. If you’re dehydrated, you won’t burn fat as efficiently and you
won’t have the energy to train hard. In addition to your regular water intake, drink one
EXTRA glass of water for every alcoholic drink and you'll be fine, hydration wise.
3) Limit yourself to two drinks per sitting and NEVER binge
Anything beyond two drinks can do absolutely nothing positive for you. Maybe on a rare
celebration occasion you might have more than two drinks, but I can't think of a single
reason why any self-respecting human being who is serious about their health and fitness
goals would ever binge drink or get drunk on a regular basis. Getting drunk is not an
option on this program. If you get drunk, you’re not following the program. If you drink
in large quantities ANY TIME for ANY REASON, just look in the mirror and admit the
truth to yourself; "I 'm just not THAT serious about getting in shape. It’s not that high of a
priority right now. I don't really want it THAT bad." At least then you're honest with
yourself. If you enjoy social drinking in moderation, by all means go ahead and do it. But
if you drink heavily, at least admit the truth to yourself.
4) Don’t stay out late
Drinking and late nights often go together. Late nights out mean interrupted sleeping
patterns, less sleep and or and a lower quality of sleep. Disrupted sleeping patterns often
mean missed meals, poor workouts and poor recovery. Your body needs its rest and it
thrives on structure and schedule.
5) Do not drink often (or daily)
You often hear the advice of “drinking in moderation,” which we’ve defined as two
drinks a day, so some people do exactly that – they have two every day – fourteen drinks
per week. Not a good idea. Save the drinks for special occasions.
6) Don’t bother explaining to others why you’re not drinking
If peer pressure is a problem for you, don’t bother attempting to explain to friends or coworkers
the reason why you’re cutting back on alcohol. If it’s a major problem, you may
need to reconsider who you spend time with. You’ll always become like those you spend
the most time with. Choose your circle of friends carefully. Ninety-five percent of the
world doesn't care that you're working on improving yourself. The only ones who care are
the other people who are trying to do the same for themselves. Remember, it's easier for a
loser to reach up and try to drag you down, rather than to try and climb up and improve
themselves.
Instead of "I'm on a diet" or "I'm in training," you can make a game out of it and come up
with some funny stories about why you’re not drinking or why you’re only having a drink
or two. For example, “I have a genetically inherited liver disorder. I really wish I could
drink with you guys but I just can’t take any chances." Or, "My doctor said I lack the
proper enzymes to detoxify alcohol, so toxic by-products build up in my liver and internal
organs if I drink." Instead of being in a tense peer pressure situation, you could actually
have fun with this.
rubberduckyo
~DaDawg's L'il Sis~
Injectyourspinach said:
bigbuffstaples
"Who is your Daddy and what does he do?"
Copyright BigBuffStaples 2003 (www.bigbuffstaplesknowsall.com)
For all of you who don't know. i know everything!!!
Drinking don't hurt ya if your not extremely competative. Drinking excessively can lead to liver failure and other problems, and it is a depressant. But if you enjoy having a few drinks, then have a few drinks. Almost everything in life now is going to kill you, and you shouldn't expect to live any older then 60, and if you do, i recomend you do lots of hard drugs and drink lots and await death. It is what I intend to do, as this is what life was intended for,, i spoke with god last week over a couple of beers and 3 cigarettes (he and yes it's a he, said if you smoke more then 3 cigarettes a day then your balls will fall off before you die, and even if your 80, that would suck) on this subject. He said for me to tell all of you to DRINK UP!!!!!! and live life to the fullest, as you could be gone anyday, so enjoy life and live it the way you want to.
P.S. i'm not a crazy fuck, i'm obviously just joking. But i was talking to god about all that stuff and everything in the above is true.
and 
with god,,, HOLA!!!!!
For all of you who don't know. i know everything!!!
Drinking don't hurt ya if your not extremely competative. Drinking excessively can lead to liver failure and other problems, and it is a depressant. But if you enjoy having a few drinks, then have a few drinks. Almost everything in life now is going to kill you, and you shouldn't expect to live any older then 60, and if you do, i recomend you do lots of hard drugs and drink lots and await death. It is what I intend to do, as this is what life was intended for,, i spoke with god last week over a couple of beers and 3 cigarettes (he and yes it's a he, said if you smoke more then 3 cigarettes a day then your balls will fall off before you die, and even if your 80, that would suck) on this subject. He said for me to tell all of you to DRINK UP!!!!!! and live life to the fullest, as you could be gone anyday, so enjoy life and live it the way you want to.
P.S. i'm not a crazy fuck, i'm obviously just joking. But i was talking to god about all that stuff and everything in the above is true.
and with god,,, HOLA!!!!!
bigbuffstaples
"Who is your Daddy and what does he do?"
oh yeah i almost forgot,,,,
i'm huge,, where it counts...
... IN THE PANTS!!!!!! BOO YA!!!!!
i'm huge,, where it counts...
... IN THE PANTS!!!!!! BOO YA!!!!!
