Another "First cycle" help thread!

[shainesboostin]

Hey everyone, I am new to the site, came from anabolic minds and found this site helpful.

Stats:
22 years old ( I know young)
190lbs @ 12%
5'11

LIFTS:
Bench 330x1
Squat 315 3x10
Deads 405ish...

History:
Lifting 5 years, came from 140lbs when diagnosed with diabetes to where I am now. Stalled the last couple years and decided to give the juice a try.

CYCLE (as of now) Critique it to death, as I am here to learn and I am sure I need more info.

TEST E
Weeks 1-12 @ 500mg

PCT
Weeks 14-18
Nolva @ 40-40-20-20

Questons: Should an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) be incorperated ON cycle? How about HCG? I get mixed opinions is why I asked. I am kind of a newb and didnt know if a SERM was enough. I had done a couple PH's before and bounced back great with just NOLVA and a natty T booster (IDK if T booster even work but wanted to be safe).

 

[barrysanders]

Welcome to Ology!

IMO-HCG is not going to be needed for a TEST only cycle. PCT is fine with Nolva. I always incorporate an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), like Aromasin, to any cycle im on. It helps regulate levels and increases actual TEST. I would have it one on hand just in case GYNO comes about: rather safe than sorry right!

 

[cyto33]

i dont use Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle but i have used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on @ 500iu pw and pct would start week 15
but it all looks good. nice work.

 

[shainesboostin]

Thanks guys, I hope your being serious. People on AA about killed me when I posted that cycle up!

 

[Die$eL~Man]

test is best fir 1st cycle

 

[bbrrookie]

how much aromasin would be sufficient on a cycle like that?

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Letro could be used at .25mg ED for Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but unless your gyno prone like yours truly you probably won't need it. If you get some gyno issues just use the nolva.

 

[shainesboostin]

Letro could be used at .25mg ED for Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but unless your gyno prone like yours truly you probably won't need it. If you get some gyno issues just use the nolva.

So, your saying Nolva is sufficient PCT on its own? Nothing else for PCT or on cycle? ie: Hcg and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) ect?

 

[barrysanders]

Shane- Get your self an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) just in case you start to get GYNO (itchy, puffy nips). Letro is good but could be over kill for this TEST ONLY cycle. I prefer Aromasin myself EOD DURING CYCLE. RUI has what you need ^^^^

EDIT: Yes, for your PCT Nolva is going to be sufficent as long as you dont add any other compounds.

 

[cyto33]

What did they say was wrong with that cycle?
its perfect for some one that has never done one. maybe they are jacked up stoners and hand job jockeys.

 

[Teutonic]

Welcome !
That other site...and others on here..will rip you just because they can...
Your awful young..maybe to young..but as your gonna do it anyway, I feel compelled..as have other s on here.. to review and crtique your plan.
Given your stats, your lifts and common sense approach to this..I say..Good luck.
Had there been boards like this when I was your age I would have went further and safer than I did ..you got some good feedback there i m o.

 

[WildBill]

mmm i dont know why i dont like test alone .... i think 800 mg nandrolone with 600 mg test enth ... for 8 weeks ..this is the best for me ..3weeks pct clomid and legalon and 800 g gensing daily ..and for dct liv52 6 pills daily

 

[cyto33]

mmm i dont know why i dont like test alone .... i think 800 mg nandrolone with 600 mg test enth ... for 8 weeks ..this is the best for me ..3weeks pct clomid and legalon and 800 g gensing daily ..and for dct liv52 6 pills daily

there you go again dont fucking do that. test is a base to any cycle.
and this guy is brand new and you say 800mg of nanadrolone and on 8 weeks of test E holy shit put donw the dope and stop trying to cause problem for some one else. you should not give advice as you dont have a clue your self.

signed
President of the Prick club.

 

[shainesboostin]

there you go again dont fucking do that. test is a base to any cycle.
and this guy is brand new and you say 800mg of nanadrolone and on 8 weeks of test E holy shit put donw the dope and stop trying to cause problem for some one else. you should not give advice as you dont have a clue your self.

signed
President of the Prick club.

Yes, I am "fresh meat". Do you think the test alone will give me NOTICEABLE size gains? Assuming diet is good?

 

[Teutonic]

quaranteed.....

 

[shainesboostin]

quaranteed.....

I just cant figure out if I wanna run a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle. So many opinions, Ugh...

And post cycle therapy (pct) still scares me, yes, I have researched but theres so many opinions. Alot say HCG IS neccasary and that I should even consider a cortisol blocker?

 

[mckensel]

You will see amazing gains with just test E, just remember diet is the most important factor in this game and hitting the weights is second. Also i highly recommend running a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but that is personal preference considering i would rather not have to spend butt loads of money to get a mistake fixed that could have been prevented with a few bucks in comparison. look in to Aromasin and adex both would be a better option than letro in my opinion starting out. As well HCG is good but honestly man for your first cycle with only test e it is not a must when your already going to run a good post cycle therapy (pct). Different people run different styles of PCT some prefer the HCG route and some prefer the nolva/clom route. You just have to go with trial and error on how your body will best recover. But i would certainly start out with what you have listed.

Have you looked up good areas of pinning/location? Or looked in your diet to figure out your average numbers per day and find a way to better improve your diet? If you learn all the small stuff before starting your cycle it will help you gain more from your first cycle than just BSing your way through it and changing things up as you go. Best of luck to you.

Mac

 

[shainesboostin]

You will see amazing gains with just test E, just remember diet is the most important factor in this game and hitting the weights is second. Also i highly recommend running a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but that is personal preference considering i would rather not have to spend butt loads of money to get a mistake fixed that could have been prevented with a few bucks in comparison. look in to Aromasin and adex both would be a better option than letro in my opinion starting out. As well HCG is good but honestly man for your first cycle with only test e it is not a must when your already going to run a good post cycle therapy (pct). Different people run different styles of PCT some prefer the HCG route and some prefer the nolva/clom route. You just have to go with trial and error on how your body will best recover. But i would certainly start out with what you have listed.

Have you looked up good areas of pinning/location? Or looked in your diet to figure out your average numbers per day and find a way to better improve your diet? If you learn all the small stuff before starting your cycle it will help you gain more from your first cycle than just BSing your way through it and changing things up as you go. Best of luck to you.

Mac

Diet I plan on keeping about 500 above maintenance, which will change throughout cycle..Nolva is all I will run PCT not clomid. Unless you all think I should? Like I said, I have seen laundry list of PCT protocol's which scares me, cause here I am with my PCT list: Nolva


I am going to be researching more the next few weeks leading up to the start!

 

[Italiano SPO]

I just cant figure out if I wanna run a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle. So many opinions, Ugh...

And PCT still scares me, yes, I have researched but theres so many opinions. Alot say HCG IS neccasary and that I should even consider a cortisol blocker?

Run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Just because you don't get gyno doesn't mean you aren't causing underlying problems due to high estrogen. Start with Aromasin at 12.5mg ED and adjust as necessary if needed. It's always a good idea to have Letro on hand in case you need it. Also, Clomid is a better choice for PCT at 50mg ED for 3-4 weeks.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Just because you don't get gyno doesn't mean you aren't causing underlying problems due to high estrogen. Start with Aromasin at 12.5mg ED and adjust as necessary if needed. It's always a good idea to have Letro on hand in case you need it. Also, Clomid is a better choice for PCT at 50mg ED for 3-4 weeks.

I retract my previous statement. Italiano is correct. I completely disregarded underlying effects. Listen to Det and Teutonic too they won't steer you wrong.

+1 to you three.