Are Meth-Like Sports Supplements the New "Craze"?

[STAUNCHED427]

Absolutely, vasoconstriction can cause ED, not permanent obviously just while the stimulant is still having an affect. Common effect from stimulants. Dopamine is also involved in sex drive of course you probably already know that in regards to DA agonists like Prami, hence why for example meth and other dopamine releasers/classical stimulants are touted to make your libido go through the roof/dirty as fuck.

Of course when your combiining 3 stimulants like Ephedrine/Caffeine/DMAA you can expect vasconstriction to be an issue and subsequently experience ED compared to just one of them alone (which is not create as severe vasoconstriction but may still be enough to cause ED and cold hands/feet).

The hard dry look would come from the fact that caffeine and pretty much all other classical stimulants are diuretics, explaining the reasoning behind frequent urination whilst on stims. When I used to use pre-workouts/stimulants occasionally, I would always look pumped and a little drier. Noradrenaline or when you get an adrenaline rush for example will divert blood flow to the brain and muscles/heart shutting off digestion giving you that full/pumped up look and why it is called the fight-or-flight response, the body senses (or in the case of a stimulant artificially put into that state) it must either fight or get out of the situation so it has no need to continue digestion, rather use as much energy to defend itself or to flee. This also explains the erratic behaviour that can ensure with stimulant use as your body is in that constant fight-or-flight state so it's not uncommon to make quick, silly decisions.

 

[Optimal]

Never got to try Craze, figured the hype was just hype but I guess it turned out they actually did have "something more" in there.

Tried the original Jack3d though and it was absolutely fucking amazing.
I know some people didn't like it because they were either non-responder or got some bad side effects, but for me it was like this full-on focus of epic proportions, pretty zen-like.
It's like any sense of fatigue felt like someone else's rather than mine, like I was only the observer, watching through a TV screen with 0 emotion of my own. No side effects at all either, though I usually respond pretty well to drugs.

My gym buddy went home after a workout from trying it the first time and stayed up all night working on assignments. Didn't even crash the next day, it actually freaked him out quite a bit!
Biggest thought it my mind throughout it though was, "if this is mostly just DMAA+caffeine, wtf is adderall like??"
Still wanting to try it but unfortunately it's pretty uncommon in Canada Been thinking about getting some DMAA though, it should be enough to help with these side projects.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

for me it was like this full-on focus of epic proportions, pretty zen-like.
It's like any sense of fatigue felt like someone else's rather than mine, like I was only the observer, watching through a TV screen with 0 emotion of my own. No side effects at all either, though I usually respond pretty well to drugs.

I agree DMAA has a very smooth effect in itself, it is the caffeine that gives the jittery, adrenaline like effect when combined with DMAA if you ask me. The reason why I say this is because I managed to get ahold of pure DMAA powder before than ban here and compared to the pre-workouts with both DMAA and Caffeine, DMAA is actually a very smooth stimulant, no real increase in heart rate, gave me a zen-like focus as you said, made me feel just the centre point of focus without any energy, it was just smooth that's the best way to describe it really. Everything seemed to come into extreme focus, I was super calm as well. To be honest, many people say the D-isomer of adderall which is dexedrine in the states is a very smooth, non-peripheral stimualant, I found DMAA to be even smoother than that. However, tolerance to DMAA builds up rapidly and you don't get that focus effect from it, when you go 20mg above you just get sides with none of that focus effect so it isn't very useful if you use it often.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Staunched what's your opinion on a 30mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, 30mg dmaa protocol?

Would dmaa help enhance the thermogenic effects of the classic ec stack or, because it works in a different way, it wouldn't play a part?

 

[DreDay187]

During my use of ec/dmaa I also experienced clear signs of erectile dysfunction, do you believe this is down to the vasoconstriction effect?
I'm assuming this is stronger due to the combination of ephedrine/caffeine/dmaa rather than a high dose of only 1 of those substances?

Yet I also looked hard and dry, but again I can't really explain the reasoning behind this due to the lack of studies on dmaa

Vasoconstriction 100% could affect erections like Staunched pointed out. Cialis and Viagra are basically vasodilators that preferentially target the penis more than any other tissue but they're also use as BP meds bc of the dilation.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Staunched what's your opinion on a 30mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, 30mg dmaa protocol?

Would dmaa help enhance the thermogenic effects of the classic ec stack or, because it works in a different way, it wouldn't play a part?

To be honest I wouldn't know as stimulants give me anxiety more than anything now, whether this is due to life events that I may be pushing down/supressing and them bringing them out who knows... Ephedrine I have never tried as it is a banned substance here along with DMAA now. To be honest, there is no clear cut on DMAA's mechanism of action, it is only speculation that it is either a direct NA and possibly albeit minor DA receptor agonist or maybe even a TAAR1 agonist or an actually monoamine releaser, yes it does suppress appetite which gives the most likely assumption it acts somehow on the noradrenaline system, however no actual studies have been done on its actual mech. of action.

Put simply, if you have ephedrine available I would stick to the tried and proven stack of Ephedrine and Caffeine. DMAA tolerance builds up rapidly and me personally I don't like to put things in me if I don't know exactly how they are working. It's a mysterious, dirty stimulant that really only works the first few times IMO then just gives nothing but sides.

 

[Hull Tech]

After I did a sampler of 1mr and I woke up 6 hr's later with DT's.. fuck pre workout.

Low dose clen, 10mg Cialis, a Starbucks medium roast.. and a few rounds downrange.. that's a pre workout.

Fuck a pre workout. Ephedrine and albuterol with some test base. That's a fucking pre workout.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I believe the best pre-workout is 100mg of HTFU lol.

Nah all jokes aside, I'm just not big on preworkouts, some people love them. But if I was ever going to use one I would much prefer to get all the raw ingredients myself, Ephedrine, Caffeine and a Vasolidator like Citrulline Malate/Agmatine/GPLC to counter the stimulant vasoconstriction and for a nice pump effect.