Thanks for the thread! A lot of good info.
Ask Anything You Want about TRT Thread........
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Thanks for the thread! A lot of good info.
Alpin
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Good luck with your appointment.
Personally I've given up on Endos.
They are not good for much, they almost always play it safe and just give you enough T to max out at 600 ng dl. Usually no A..I.
luck with your appointment.
Personally I've given up on Endos.
They are not good for much, they almost always play it safe and just give you enough T to max out at 600 ng dl. Usually no A..I.[/QUOTE]
Thanks there Apollon. If you had given up on Endos who would you suggest seeking help from and why?
Personally I've given up on Endos.
They are not good for much, they almost always play it safe and just give you enough T to max out at 600 ng dl. Usually no A..I.[/QUOTE]
Thanks there Apollon. If you had given up on Endos who would you suggest seeking help from and why?
Alpin
New member
Thanks there Apollon. If you had given up on Endos who would you suggest seeking help from and why?[/QUOTE]
A qualified, experienced anti aging doc that is not extremist in view or practice.
Just putting this up in hopes of people's feelings towards my T levels. First T check after a regular week for me 7.5nm/L, then again after a full week's rest, early morning, no food 17.1nm/l, and then an afternoon test after a full week's rest - 14nm/L. I am nearly 19, I don't believe my T levels have ever been normal, all of my teen years were spent being extremely depressed and only this past year have I felt better thanks to my adoring little lady. Now, I don't believe those higher levels to be accurate because who spends all day laying around and sleeping in? I am a very active person, although it takes an unhealthy diet to lose weight (1800 calories at 6'4"and 20+ hours of intensive activity). I have had my thyroid checked, estradoil, LSH and FSH (dunno if that's what they're actually called, but the little hormones or whatever that tell your brain to make T), my pituitary gland and sleep apnea. Passed everything with flying colours. What I'm asking is, can I get some advice on where to go from here? Do my levels warrant TRT and perhaps a Dr's phone in Melbourne for treatment.
Megatron28
Moderator
Please post all your blood work results and include reference ranges. That will give us a better picture of what is going on with you. Please include the time ofnday the blood work was taken as well.
Okay, awesome! Well, I just spent a good hour looking for my original results, but I can't find them. I will have them by tomorrow though, I'll go down to the surgery and ask for a copy. All I can remember was me T was 7.5nm/L (8.3-35) and everything else was good, except my free T was also low. Now, on the second test my T was 17.1nm/L (9.3-32) and I'm not sure if you want things like Potassium, etc? Will post if necessary! My AFP was 1
(<10) HCG <1 (<5).
TSH was 1.02 (0.40-3.50). I had a test done to check I am a male, lol, like no extra chromosomes or whatever, I'm all good there. again, I'll write exactly what it says about that if needed!
ACTH is 4.0 (0.0-10.0)
17-OHProg is 10.6 (<10.3).
DHEA-S is 7.2 (1.2-10)
Androstenedione is 2.6 (1.7-16.8)
Testosterone is 17.1 (9.3-32)
Growth Hormone is <0.2 (no ref range)
IGF-1 is 336 (247-482)
IGF-1 again is 1.40 (1.03-2.01)
LH is 2.4 (0.6-12.1)
FSH is 0.8 (1.0-12.0)
Prolactin is 272 (73-410)
Serum Cortisol is 124 (no ref range)
Now, my third test, again I can provide things like Potassium, etc is needed, they are here.
AFP - same as before
HCG - " " "
TSH - " " "
I was again found to be a male.
T. Protein - 72 (60-82)
Albumin - 42 (35-50)
ALP - 69 (30-150)
Bilirubin - 5 (<25)
GGT - 26 (<51)
AST - 25 (<41)
ALT - (23-<51)
Testosterone - 14.0nm/L (6.0-30)
I find these T ranges to be very modest, yes? Any word on this? Again, I have more results, I just can't find them, but I should have them tomorrow for you!! Thank you for taking a interest, no Dr will.
Just realised I forgot times. The 17.1 was done in the morning fasted 10am, and the 14 was done at 3pm, non fasted. Another fact is that I was on Tamoxifen 2 months leading up to the 14 test to try and treat my gyno that I have had since 12. Does Tam. reduce E? Because my joints killed on that stuff. Sorry if my spelling sucks, I am dyslexic and trying.
lordsherman
New member
Question.... I have low T and have been on 100mg of C every 10 days and I started to take some winstrol 20mg orals every day, and I wanted to start adding some anavar about 10-20mg every day... will this be ok with my current TRT and how long should I run the winstrol for? I know that I can run the anavar a lot longer, but I would like to know the longest I should run the winstrol? there is a lot of different lengths out on the forums....
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
D
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
D
Just got my first results back. Here they are.
Testosterone - 7.5 (8.3-29)
Free Testosterone 76 (25-120) : only time my free T has been tested.
Hb - 167 g/l (130-180)
RCC - 5.8 x10 12/L (4.5-6.5)
Hct - 0.50 (0.40-0.54)
MCV - 86 fL (79-99)
MCH - 29 pg (27-34)
MCHC - 337 g/L (320-360)
RDW - 12.8 (10.0-17.0)
Plat - 321 x10 9/L (150-400)
WBC - 6.0 x10 9/L (4.0-11.0)
Neaut - 4.1 x10 9/L (2.0-7.5)
Lymp - 1.3 x10 9/L (1.0-4.0)
Mono - 0.5 x10 g/L (0.2-1.0)
Eos - 0.1 x10 g/L (<0.7)
Baso - 0.0 x10 g/L (<0.2)
Glucose test
Serum - 4.0 (3.4-7.7)
Cholesterol - 3.6 (3.5-5.4)
Triglyceride - 1.1 (0.1-2.0)
Prolactin - 244 (40-450)
Again, can add all the minerals and stuff as well, but I am well within the ranges on them all.
TSH - 1.6 (0.5-4.5)
FSH - 1 (<14)
LH - 2.8 (<11)
OEST2 - 138 (<150)
And that's all my tests, thank you! This test was done early morning (10am) fasted.
Testosterone - 7.5 (8.3-29)
Free Testosterone 76 (25-120) : only time my free T has been tested.
Hb - 167 g/l (130-180)
RCC - 5.8 x10 12/L (4.5-6.5)
Hct - 0.50 (0.40-0.54)
MCV - 86 fL (79-99)
MCH - 29 pg (27-34)
MCHC - 337 g/L (320-360)
RDW - 12.8 (10.0-17.0)
Plat - 321 x10 9/L (150-400)
WBC - 6.0 x10 9/L (4.0-11.0)
Neaut - 4.1 x10 9/L (2.0-7.5)
Lymp - 1.3 x10 9/L (1.0-4.0)
Mono - 0.5 x10 g/L (0.2-1.0)
Eos - 0.1 x10 g/L (<0.7)
Baso - 0.0 x10 g/L (<0.2)
Glucose test
Serum - 4.0 (3.4-7.7)
Cholesterol - 3.6 (3.5-5.4)
Triglyceride - 1.1 (0.1-2.0)
Prolactin - 244 (40-450)
Again, can add all the minerals and stuff as well, but I am well within the ranges on them all.
TSH - 1.6 (0.5-4.5)
FSH - 1 (<14)
LH - 2.8 (<11)
OEST2 - 138 (<150)
And that's all my tests, thank you! This test was done early morning (10am) fasted.
Megatron28
Moderator
I am not really seeing anything that stands out. You TT is not great, but it certainly does not put you in the hypogonadal range. The other issue is that you did not get these blood tests first thing in the morning. 10AM is your earliest time and one came in at 17nmol. You should get them first thing in the morning (I.e. 8AM).
You are only 19 so you have not reached your peak testosterone levels either. You may still be increasing quite a bit.
I don't think Low Testosteronen is likely to be the cause of your problems. Sorry.
Megatron28
Moderator
this is the TRT forum. You appear to be interested in running a blast. You should ask about that in the Anabolic forum.
Those high levels were taken after a weeks rest... the 7.5nm/L was taken in the morning fasted, after a regular week. Are you sure? I am not a late bloomer either. Puberty started for me at 11. Thank you for the feedback though. It is the cause, I know it. 17.1nm/L is a definite peak.
Megatron28
Moderator
So looks like you need to get some sleep. How many hours of sleep do you get? And do you have sleep apnea? Are you ovee -training? How is your diet? Using any illicit drugs? What is your body fat %?
Fasting doesn't make a difference.
I sleep about 8-10 hours a night. I have been tested for sleep apnea, and no I do not. Definitely not overtraining, I don't have the energy to. My diet is good, about 100-150 grams of protein, around 2500-300 calories a day. Around 20 (lots of walking) hours exercise a week. No illicit drugs. I am not sure on that, not much of a tummy, but love handles (don''t go away unless I'm near 6% BF). Like, I'm still a fit dude, but not ripped up.
That's really good to know, thank you!
So I'm considering TRT. I found a place near me - EhormonesMD - ehormones.com. I spoke with the guy and what they do is elective T optimization. Insurance doesn't cover it, its not cheap, but not too bad either, 500 for the initial consult then about 200 a month from there. They give you Test, HCG and Anastrozole. 6-8 weeks out they test your levels again, and then again at 6 months. They do a full hormone panel, lipids, thyroid, ect. You speak to the main doc on the phone. Does anyone have experience with them? How does this sound.
I'm thinking its expensive, but probably worth it to see someone that is a specialist in this and is current on all the protocols, rather than my GP who probably isn't.
I'm thinking its expensive, but probably worth it to see someone that is a specialist in this and is current on all the protocols, rather than my GP who probably isn't.
Megatron28
Moderator
That is very expensive. What makes you think you need TRT?
Late 30s, not as much energy I used to have, can't keep up with the young guys as well as I'd like in the sport I play (recreation, I"m not a pro athlete by any stretch lol), can't play as often as I'd like, get lots of little nagging injuries.
Believe it or not thats about half what some of the other places I've called have quoted me. I live in an expensive area. Quite frankly I can afford it. I thought about going to my GP and trying to get him to do it, but IDK if I want to deal with the hassle, I think the extra cash is probably worth it to go somewhere that just does hormone replacement for wellness, but I always like to ask for other opinions before making a decision.
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