Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
Overtraining is a culprit. Sleap apnea is the second one. Get well soon
Benefits of Clomid Only - Blood Results
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jozifp103
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^^^ignore that comment. Use a serm to raise test, not an aromatase inhibitor. Crashing estradiol is not the answer to your problems. I'd see a doctor about your prolactin levels before you do anything.
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trekrider215
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Black Beard
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How is your diet, vitamin D levels, sleep quality, stress levels etc. All that stuff combined and drop testosterone by several hundred points. The FDA put out a warning on TRT causing blood clots or something. Lmao, are those idiots even doctors? which itself is not saying much, but they seem to be completely clueless about everything.
halfwit
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There's a lot of money to be made by prescribing the antidepressants/anti-anxiety/RLS /diabetes/blood pressure/statins. Why fix the problem when they can treat the symptoms and make money instead?
There is an appeal to have that silly warning removed by the way.
Edit: OP, you need to see a different endo then. Your prolactin is awfully high with your given estradiol levels. I do agree that looking into sleep apnea is definitely worth it as well.
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Studies on healthy young men show that exemestane raises free and total test without crashing estrogen. Doses as high as 50 mg/day don't lower estrogen too much. I would absolutely go with exemestane over clomid if I was "natty" and had to pick one or the other. In real life I'd go with both.
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The point is to stay on low dose clomid as an alternative to TRT. Clomiphene (and enclomiphene, one of the stereoisomers) has been shown to be an effective alternative to exogenous test in cases of secondary hypogonadism.
PrinceDianabol
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Agreed with above, I also use clomid + AI. The two are necessary, Clomid gives better test increases I would think but you need to control e2 then...
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PrinceDianabol
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This is also true, although I have also heard (anecdotally) that TT can remain higher than baseline after long term use. I wouldn't count on a large permanent increase though.
Rida5d
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U agree that 50 Mgs of aromasin is a small dosage and won't lower estrogen much?
U agree to dropping clomid and using aromasin alone instead?
50 mg is a large dose. I meant that even a large dose didn't lower estrogen below the normal range in several studies I've seen.
If it was me, I'd start with 12.5 mg/day aromasin and 25 mg/day clomid. I actually did that for a while in 2008 before I decided to get on test for good. I got good results in terms of body composition, sex drive, energy, etc. I didn't get blood work at the time to see how much of a boost I got.
BiqqieSmalls
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There's a lot of money to be made by prescribing the antidepressants/anti-anxiety/RLS /diabetes/blood pressure/statins. Why fix the problem when they can treat the symptoms and make money instead?
There is an appeal to have that silly warning removed by the way.
Edit: OP, you need to see a different endo then. Your prolactin is awfully high with your given estradiol levels. I do agree that looking into sleep apnea is definitely worth it as well.
What is prolactin supposed to do? And do I want this number low? Could a high prolactin level such as mine explain why I am not able to "go for round two" after I have sex?
PrinceDianabol
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Absolutely. Prolactin spikes after orgasm and is the main reason for the refractory period - the time it takes for you to be ready again. So yes you want it to be on the lower end of the scale.
PrinceDianabol
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Depends on what we're talking about. Remember when you lower estrogen in a natty (or off cycle) your also antagonizing the feedback loop.. leading to more GnRH, then more LH + FSH, then more test = more estrogen. Once you get to large enough doses it will lower estrogen to decent levels but you'll also have a decent increase in testosterone because of it.
Guys on cycle, or running a SERM (which will also block the feedback loop) would use a much lower dose so as not to crash e2. The only increase they get in TT is due to less aromatization.
Hope I explained that properly... And while an AI only would work, I'd much rather use Clomid, or better yet Clomid + AI to keep e2 in range. You end up with far more stimulation (GnRH) from Clomid.
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Therealkozmo
Mr. Micropenis
Hurry and get your sleep study.
halfwit
I like turtles.
PrinceDianabol nailed it. A wonky pituitary gland that allows for an increase of prolactin will also typically inhibit testosterone. Your dopamine levels are usually lower as dopamine and prolactin are antagonists, leaving you feeling like a depressed zombie.
Prolactin tends to need elevated estradiol to climb (not always), which makes me wonder if there's something going on with the rest of your HPTA.
BiqqieSmalls
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The Endocrinologist thinks it's exercise induced hypogonadism and told me to get my levels checked in two months. I will be due for a blood check in the beginning of January. I've been cutting down on my volume in the gym. Hopefully the bloods results in January will illustrate that.
halfwit
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That's totally up to you, just remember that YOU are the boss and not the doctor. I've seen guys drop their test levels in that fashion before, but LH was usually low too. As you're seeing the endo, I would advise staying off clomid to see if over training really is the culprit without masking the cause.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
BiqqieSmalls
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Thank you, my friend. I will update this thread once I get the blood results back.
Black Beard
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Don't jerk off before blood work. Orgasm spikes prolactin.
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