Bloodworks back.....This is just crazy!

[buildingpaul]

Got my bloodworks back today.

Are you ready for this guys?!?! 7.9, so about 210 in US figures.

They still wont treat me so I have some UGL Test Prop' here, also some UGL Tamoxifen and Clomid. Going to get on those and see how are feel.......Not good when you have to self medicate but with a Test level as low as mine and no help from the NHS I have no other option. Just hope I will start feeling better soon.

38 years old, 6ft, 221lbs.

 

[ColoradoFlyer]

Hi Paul,

Have you determined primary or secondary? Also, what is your bodyfat %?

 

[Rich_B]

Got my bloodworks back today.

Are you ready for this guys?!?! 7.9, so about 210 in US figures.

They still wont treat me so I have some UGL Test Prop' here, also some UGL Tamoxifen and Clomid. Going to get on those and see how are feel.......Not good when you have to self medicate but with a Test level as low as mine and no help from the NHS I have no other option. Just hope I will start feeling better soon.

38 years old, 6ft, 221lbs.

Do you have a history of steroid use?

Why test Prop as opposed to a longer ester?

What dosing protocol are you proposing?

 

[buildingpaul]

Thanks for the replies guys!


Have you determined primary or secondary? Also, what is your bodyfat %? Primary or secondary, I am a bit lost there bud, what does that mean, sorry if I sound a bit stupid?! BF is 18%, so way to high......I am holding it all on my abdomen and chest. I am very broad.....Arms are still just over 16's and are still very tight, leg muscles still nice and tight, just chest and abdominal area.....Almost look like I have gyno and my stomach looks like I am pregant which is very out of proportion to the rest of me.

Rich B........ I started using Dianabol when I was 18, so 20 years ago. I knew nothing about AAS then and would just run D.bol only courses. I was thinking Test' Prop' to start with as it is very quick acting so hopefully I should start to feel better quickly? I am going to get some Cyp' or some Enth' as that has longer lasting esters and say run Test Enth @ 150mg per week?

Also guys......I am on Citolopram (Celexa) 40mg per day, Diazepam (Valium) 15mg per day and Clonazepam (Klonopin) 0.5mg per day.....I have been on this horrible cocktail for 11 years now, the Dr keeps me on it for my anxiety, trouble is it does not work, still have a job going in to Supermarkets, driving say 20 miles from my house, walking the dog etc.....If anything my anxiety is worse, makes me think that these drugs could now be making my anxiety worse rather than beter......Just hope testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) may relieve some of my anxiety?

 

[ardbeg]

Psychological problems and (illicit) test are not a good combination. What are you going to do if your supply dries up and you crash? This would really be much better under a doctor's care. Can't you see another physician?

 

[buildingpaul]

As I am in the UK my notes will just get passed on to the next Dr. To get to the truth of it all is this.....Money. The NHS have made very large cut backs over the years and now they will not treat patients unless it is critical. Now my situation really does need to be looked at, but here in the UK we are behind the US in TRT. Dr's will shrug off testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) unless you luckily manage to get reffered to a specialist who again will be working off a very tight budget.

Out of interest...... With a higher Test levels should I see my anxiety get a bit better? I am also hoping to be able see more energy in myself as I constantly feel tired, irritable, sad, no sex drive, no motivation, very poor concentration.

 

[Megatron28]

TRT should directly help all your symptoms except sadness and anxiety. It may indirectly affect your anxiety and sadness (depression) but you should look for additional help with your psychological problems. Psychotherapy and/or medication would be good. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) will help make you feel alive again, but it isn't a magic bullet that cures all.

 

[Rich_B]

Rich B........ I started using Dianabol when I was 18, so 20 years ago. I knew nothing about AAS then and would just run D.bol only courses. I was thinking Test' Prop' to start with as it is very quick acting so hopefully I should start to feel better quickly? I am going to get some Cyp' or some Enth' as that has longer lasting esters and say run Test Enth @ 150mg per week?

Yes the prop will kick in much quicker, I usually feel it within a few days at 50mg EOD. Obviously a longer ester is better in the long run though. I usually run Enth at 250mg/wk but this time I've had issues from circa week 8-9 onwards. I'm going to adjust downwards to 250mg per 10 days which equates to 175mg/wk and see how this goes. 150mg/wk is probably a good starting point for yourself as you've suggested. I do agree with what Megatron has said about testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) not being magic bullet but I'm sure it'll substantially improve the way you're feeling at the moment if you get the balance right. Good luck with it.

 

[orka69]

My doc has me on 300mg test prop/wk (well, actually told me to try 200-400/wk and adjust) I found 300 a good balance, also runs low dose anti estros for 12 wk cyc, followed by post cycle therapy (pct) of clomid and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), it's seems to b a great balance, now I just wish I could afford the hgh they have suggested! Anywho, it would seem that euro is an easy source for ugl gear!? I know from experience and discussion that those amounts r high, but I'm on my 4th "cycle", and other then a week or two "low" during post cycle therapy (pct), feel amazing..

 

[orka69]

Oh, and I would highly recommend 5-htp for a cheap, natural anti-anx

 

[buildingpaul]

Thanks for the replies guys!

Ok......I have had a bit of a result from my Dr. He is reffering me to an Endo', trouble is the earliest an Endo can see me is Jan 2013. Reading some of the above posts......Test may not help my anxiety then? I think I am going to give Prop a go. I was thinking at running it at 150mg per week and see how I feel, this is EOD shots. Or I have some Clomid tabs that I could take instead?.......Dont know what to do but feel so tired, irritable, almost no sex drive, sad, very anxious etc that I feel I must act on this sooner rather than later!

 

[Rich_B]

Thanks for the replies guys!

Ok......I have had a bit of a result from my Dr. He is reffering me to an Endo', trouble is the earliest an Endo can see me is Jan 2013. Reading some of the above posts......Test may not help my anxiety then? I think I am going to give Prop a go. I was thinking at running it at 150mg per week and see how I feel, this is EOD shots. Or I have some Clomid tabs that I could take instead?.......Dont know what to do but feel so tired, irritable, almost no sex drive, sad, very anxious etc that I feel I must act on this sooner rather than later!

Clomid gives me the sides you mention above!!

 

[buildingpaul]

Clomid gives me the sides you mention above!!

Thanks Rich......That is a no to Clomid for me then! Going to do my first shot of Prop tomorrow, just hope it is a good UGL I am using.

 

[Rich_B]

Thanks Rich......That is a no to Clomid for me then! Going to do my first shot of Prop tomorrow, just hope it is a good UGL I am using.

Which UGL is it?

I have used most available in the UK.

Clomid might not affect you in the same way, start at a low dose, say 50mg/day, and see how it goes just be aware that if you start to feel the negative sides you need to cease use immediately, the sides will usually fade after a few days.