Cycling again after many years

[dealah33]

Hey everyone,

I am:

32 years old
6'1
190
18% Bf

Goal:

6'1
190
10 % Bf

I have a dietician degree so I know the ins and out of diet, its importance and how to eat right, so you can say I got that angle covered.. I've also done Crossfit, Olympic weightlifting, triathlons.. so I know the exercises I need to do for size. I'll be doing mainly weights and yoga for this cycle though.

The problem I had until recently is time, I had to work for 70 hours a week for many years of my life. I've solved this problem though recently.

The issue is I don't know what cycle to take.. I was thinking of Test / Winstrol

I want to get big but I REALLY want to lean out..

I want something thats MINIMALLY TOXIC, and for these reason I want to avoid oral stuff and anything too aggressive. I am a bit of a health nut but I am on a timeline for results because I am getting married soon..

Thanks

 

[Iron Giant]

What is your specific timeline and previous cycle history? Winstrol (winny) is just going to drain you of water and that water will come back as soon as you stop (would avoid it). Test most definitely as a base (would go for prop because it has less bloat). Your cycle history will determine what to stack with the prop, but Anavar (var) @ 60-100mg ED for 6-8 weeks (fairly mild oral) is a good choice with test-p regardless.

 

[dealah33]

Hi max I want to commit to is 3 months..

My previous cycle was 13 years ago. It was test-cyponate / deca / sustanon .. I can't remember the exact doses and pct.

So your recommending Testosterone Propionate w/ Anavar (var) 10 (Ana Anavar (var) ) ?

Can you break it down further for me please with a 2 or 3 timeline (whatever you suggest).

Thanks for your time.

Thanks for your time.

 

[LittleNicky230]

I'd say first and formost try and cut the BF% down a little to 15% or under before cycling
Test E 500mg weeks. 250mg twice a week.
Test E weeks 1-12
Anavar 8 weeks can be implemented pretty much anywhere.( most like running it toward the end) Run at 75mg ED

2 weeks after last pin
Clomid 50mg ED 4 weeks
Nolva 40mg ED 2 weeks, 20mg ED 2 weeks.

AI anti Estro. Adex .5 Eod or aromasin 12.5 ed
Look into Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) also roughly 6-7 days after last pin(others may disagree time frame) do 500 iu's ed for 10 days then 4 days later start nolva/clomid
Good luck to you

 

[TheFitnessLife4ever]

The above looks solid. Test is best. Anavar is also excellent for gains with very little if any sides. If you run test on a high bf, your estro will skyrocket due to the fact that fat cells contain estrogen. So cut the fat naturally(don't worry about retaining muscle because youll gain a ton of it back plus more with the test). Good luck

 

[dealah33]

Thanks for everyone's input..

Is there a big difference between Test Cypionate vs Test E ?

It was also recommended in this thread I get Test Prop.

I read this:

Cypionate: Chemical Structure C8H14O2.
Also referred to as Cyclopentylpropionic acid, cyclopentylpropionate. Cypionate is a very popular ester in the U.S., although it is scarcely found outside this region. Its release duration is almost identical to enanthate (10-14 days), and the two are likewise thought to be interchangeable in U.S. medicine. Althletes commonly hold the belief than cypionate is more powerful than enanthate, although realistically there is little difference between the two. The enanthate ester is in fact slightly smaller than cypionate, and it therefore releases a small (perhaps a few milligrams) amount of steroid more in comparison.

I am going to do the above cycle but I can get Test Propionate / Test Cypionate locally and 100 % lab certified. Not Test E I think.

Whats the verdict on which one to purchase ?

 

[phatboy]

Cyp or ent will do the same thing. I wouldn't over analyze the minute differences. There is a tone of info here to research. Listen to the other comments and drop bodyfat before using test, if possible.

 

[fancyhuh101]

test e and c are virtually the same thing , same half-life , both esters last about 2 or so weeks . Its just personal preference , nothing big to look into . I thinks it commonly said to start usin somethig more like test e as opposed to test p because of how frequent you have to pin with test p . It acts faster and may have less bloat but you need to pin it every other day . Test e is only pinned 2x a week, and with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you will keep bloat and water weigtht down . also not to mention test p causes alot of people more injection pain . Usualy test e is better choice. look into an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like adex or aromasin

 

[dealah33]

Thanks for everyones input.. very helpful.. another 3 questions

Question on the Ana Anavar (var) / Anavar (var)

Is there a difference between the 2 ?

They are mighty expensive but I said I wanted something minimally toxic. What should I be paying per 10mg roughly ?

8 weeks @ 80 is what I'll cycle it with. Good idea ?

And once again.. thanks for everyones time

 

[Iron Giant]

Var is the shorthand for Anavar so we don't have to write Anavar every time. They are one and the same.
We can't discuss prices, it is against forum rules.
8 weeks @ 80 looks perfect!
Good luck, have fun.

 

[dealah33]

So just so I am clear..

For the below:

AI anti Estro. Adex .5 Eod or aromasin 12.5 ed

This is taken ONLY if I get side effects (tits, ance etc) ?

Look into HCG also roughly 6-7 days after last pin(others may disagree time frame) do 500 iu's ed for 10 days then 4 days later start nolva/clomid

So after my last shot of Test, 7 days later, do HCG for 10 days and instead of doing it:

2 weeks after last pin
clomid 50mg ED 4 weeks
Nolva 40mg ED 2 weeks, 20mg ED 2 weeks.

Thanks

 

[Nightmare007]

Try this
Test prop 150mg 8 weeks
Tbol 80mg ed 6 weeks
Clen last 2 weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg ed 9 weeks
Pct
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

 

[hardtarget]

So just so I am clear..

For the below:

AI anti Estro. Adex .5 Eod or aromasin 12.5 ed

This is taken ONLY if I get side effects (tits, ance etc) ?

Look into HCG also roughly 6-7 days after last pin(others may disagree time frame) do 500 iu's ed for 10 days then 4 days later start nolva/clomid

So after my last shot of Test, 7 days later, do HCG for 10 days and instead of doing it:

2 weeks after last pin
clomid 50mg ED 4 weeks
Nolva 40mg ED 2 weeks, 20mg ED 2 weeks.

Thanks

I would START an Anti-Estrogen at the BEGINNING of the CYCLE...better SAFE than SORRY!

 

[dealah33]

Guys, trying to learn all this as fast as possible..

So..

1. What does Aromatase inhibitor (AI) mean ?

2. Adex .5 Eod or aromasin 12.5 ed - This is taken at the beginning or when post cycle therapy (pct) starts ?

Thanks

 

[JMEALS]

Hi max I want to commit to is 3 months..

My previous cycle was 13 years ago. It was test-cyponate / deca / sustanon .. I can't remember the exact doses and pct.

So your recommending Testosterone Propionate w/ Anavar (var) 10 (Ana Anavar (var) ) ?

Can you break it down further for me please with a 2 or 3 timeline (whatever you suggest).

Thanks for your time.

Thanks for your time.

Not a flame bro but using gear is not just a 3 month committment to put on some size for a wedding..being a dietician why not just hone in on your diet and get a few OTC supps to help and do it naturally..with that being said if you are going to use then for your situation test e 500mg/wk for 12-14 wks max....

 

[JMEALS]

you need more than 3 months just to research and gain some knowledge...just starting a thread and asking these questions aint gonna cut it..but i wish you luck...

 

[dealah33]

Not taking it as a flame my thin is pretty thick in any case...

I am still not sure if I am going to do this .. but i've been researching for years, read a few books, put dozens of hours just over the last few weeks alone.. but I get your point in any case.

I vet alot of what I already know on these forums just to get reinforcement or another perspective.

I won't be taking this lightly.

Not a flame bro but using gear is not just a 3 month committment to put on some size for a wedding..being a dietician why not just hone in on your diet and get a few OTC supps to help and do it naturally..with that being said if you are going to use then for your situation test e 500mg/wk for 12-14 wks max....

 

[JMEALS]

Glad to hear that man...just dont wanna see you mess yourself up... i wish ya luck on what your trying to accomplish....

 

[Rida5d]

You cycled before and you don't know what an AI?
Read more buddy.. U gonna need it.
Good luck.

 

[DADAWG]

You cycled before and you don't know what an AI?
Read more buddy.. U gonna need it.
Good luck.

he does need a little more home work but as info ai's havent really been available that long , caber and prami for less than that .